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Re: Irritating Bogo-Indian line
Reply #5 - 01/22/19 at 10:17:59
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According to IM Bronznik 3.Nd2 c5 (because after 4.a3 Bxd2+ 5.Bxd2 pawn d4 is unprotected) and 3...b6 4.a3 Be7 5.e4 Bb7 6.Ngf3 Nh6 7.Bd3 f5 8.O-O O-O (Gurevich-Miezis, Olympiade 2008) offer White nothing.
  

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Re: Irritating Bogo-Indian line
Reply #4 - 01/21/19 at 21:59:32
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Is 3.Nd2 not worth investigating?  I have never had the Keres Defense played against me in all of my years of play, outside of some internet blitz games, so I don't know anything about the independent lines.
  
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Re: Irritating Bogo-Indian line
Reply #3 - 01/21/19 at 07:26:54
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stockhausen wrote on 01/20/19 at 11:59:27:
this black's position always feels really solid and I don't know what white's plan is for this position. Can someone please help?

Another good reason not to play 3.Nc3 is Bxc3+ 4.bxc3 f5, heading for a favourable Dutch.
IM Bronznik spends an entire chapter on the Keres Defense 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ in Beating the Guerillas. Acoording to him White hasn't any better than heading for a relatively good Bogo with 3.Bd2 Bxd2+ 4.Qxd2 Nf6 5.g3 O-O 6.Bg2 d5 7.Nf3. Though IM Bronznik doesn't explicitly formulate it the plan seems to be (note that I'm hardly qualified in this respect) preventing Black from playihng ...c5 and from ...e5 or making him/her pay a price as high as possible. I quote:

"I admit that [this line] promises Black good chances of equality. On the other hand, please do not underestimate the fact that we are talking about the sort of positions in which one of only two results is possible and [Black] is the one who is trying to achieve equality, not you."

Another problem line he identifies is 4...f5 5.g3 Nf6 6.Bg2 O-O 7.Nc3 d5!? 8.Nf3 c6.

"GM Glek wrote in SOS Vol.9 that Black achieves an absolutely acceptable Stonewall set-up despite the absence of the dark-squared bishop, and he backs up this opinion in his games."
So IM Bronznik recommends 7.Nf3, hoping that moving the queen and developing the knight to d2 offers an edge. Indeed GM Glek prefers 7.Nf3 d6 8.O-O Qe7 9.Nc3 c6 and only then 10...d5.

If all this is not ambitious enough to your taste you'll have to consider 2.e4, I'm afraid.
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Re: Irritating Bogo-Indian line
Reply #2 - 01/20/19 at 22:22:59
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ErictheRed wrote on 01/20/19 at 21:14:25:
What, if not 3...Nf6, puts you off 3.Nc3?

The independent lines after 3...c5, for instance 4.e3 Bxc3+. Also 3...b6 is an English Defense line I wasn't intending to play, and I'm uncomfortable after the immediate 3...Bxc3+. The only line that doesn't bother me is 3...f5, as I already play 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Qc2.
  
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Re: Irritating Bogo-Indian line
Reply #1 - 01/20/19 at 21:14:25
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What, if not 3...Nf6, puts you off 3.Nc3?
  
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Irritating Bogo-Indian line
01/20/19 at 11:59:27
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I'm at a loss as to what to do against 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Bd2 Bxd2+. I normally play the Nimzo as white but I don't want to play 3.Nc3 against this line, which means I have to face the Ulf Andersson Bogo-Indian. Whenever I face this black's position always feels really solid and I don't know what white's plan is for this position. Can someone please help?
  
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