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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #17 - Today at 19:48:36
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In the site they say

"In the Alekhine Defence, contrary to the classical methods of playing in the opening, Black does not fight for the centre with his pawns, but begins to exert immediate pressure against White’s centre. Black’s knight on f6 attacks the pawn on e4, and if it advances, then Black’s d-pawn joins into the attack against it. The Alekhine Defence is particularly applicable in encounters against players who are inferior in class, as well as in games with a short time-control. This opening is not used so often in practice, so your opponent might lose plenty of time to recollect the opening theory. That might prove to be a very negative factor for him in the forthcoming fight."
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #16 - 02/14/19 at 13:11:05
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For those interested, the book is out on the Forward Chess app.
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #15 - 02/01/19 at 17:46:23
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Today I saw a very interesting game between

Pourramezanali (2528) - Firouzja (2618) of the Iranian Champ,

in the line

1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 Nf3 g6 5 Bc4 Nb6 6 Bb3 Bg7 7 Ng5 e6 8 Qf3 Qe7 9 Ne4 h6

White did not follow the critical 10.exd6.

The game followed

10.Bf4 Nc6 11.exd6 Nxd4 12.dxe7 Nxf3+ and looked interesting. Both players sacrificed their rooks in h8 and a1.

I did this before but do not remember how to post the game here
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #14 - 01/31/19 at 08:55:39
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RivertonKnight wrote on 01/31/19 at 01:42:22:
Would someone post how the beginning move-order goes to get to 12...Nc6, please, Thank You!


1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4 Nf3 g6 5 Bc4 Nb6 6 Bb3 Bg7 7 Ng5 e6 8 Qf3 Qe7 9 Ne4 dxe5 10 dxe5 h6 11 Nf6+ Kf8 12 Qc3 Nc6
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #13 - 01/31/19 at 02:55:49
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RivertonKnight wrote on 01/31/19 at 01:42:22:
Would someone post how the beginning move-order goes to get to 12...Nc6, please, Thank You!


The book is not even released yet ¡  Cheesy
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #12 - 01/31/19 at 01:42:22
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Would someone post how the beginning move-order goes to get to 12...Nc6, please, Thank You!
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #11 - 01/30/19 at 03:46:56
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lg wrote on 01/29/19 at 13:27:17:
MW: I think that the Alekhine is reliable (do not agree with the main view that it is only good for blitz or rapid).
At least this is what I see in recent CC games.
One interesting line, the Kengis, and not clear why it has disappeared from normal games, has been topical in CC
(see the games by Schmidt).


Thanks lg....I have noticed that Schmidt has been playing the Alekhine's a lot in ICCF recently. I will also check out Pavlov's game..
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #10 - 01/29/19 at 13:34:45
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lg wrote on 01/29/19 at 13:27:17:
12...Nc6 12.Be3 Nd7 13.Nxd7 Qxd7 14.f4 b6 15.Nd2 Bb7 16.0-0-0 Ne7

This is the line I thought was best for Black, but ultimately probably at least a little better for White.

lg wrote on 01/29/19 at 13:27:17:
7.Ng5 e6 8.Qf3 Qe7 9. Ne4 the main current good engines are coming back to 9...h6

Yeah this is a line I looked at a long time ago. It's not as bad as it looks for sure, as Black frequently expands pretty significantly on the kingside, and the h-rook doesn't look horribly misplaced. Well worth considering, but I also feel like if I'm forced to go down this path, is this line any good at all? Basically why risk all this OTB? In CC maybe.

To me, the Kengis is the most sound and a better practical choice than the Miles. But it's taste. Everything after 4...g6 is more appealing to me, except for the problem line, so I'm trying to find something I'm happy with there.
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #9 - 01/29/19 at 13:27:17
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Tony (and Seeley): As far as I remember we have agreed it is annoying. But did we conclude more than that?
After 7.Ng5 e6 8.Qf3 Qe7 (was 8...0-0 refuted?) 9. Ne4 dxe5 10.dxe5 !? (the irritating move) h6 11.Nf6+ Kf8 12.Qc3!
I think that 12...Nc6; 12...N6d7 and 12...Nd5 (and even 12...Na6) appears to hold - see CC games.I like less 12...N8d7.
I am not saying that a more extensive study will not conclude that they are bad for black but for the moment "the extensive study" still needs to be done.
Most of the games with 12...Nc6 show the typical weakeness of Black on the black squares (which althought is typical of the whole Alburt line).
One interesting line is 12...Nc6 12.Be3 Nd7 13.Nxd7 Qxd7 14.f4 b6 15.Nd2 Bb7 16.0-0-0 Ne7 (the exact sequence of Black's 14th to 16th may be different)  17.Ne4 Qc6 and then the interesting piece sacrifice18.Nc5!? which illustrates what I said.
Pavlov, a very good CC player draw one gamed and lost another (not sure it was because of the opening) in this line. Also, Black does not need to allow this.

MW: I think that the Alekhine is reliable (do not agree with the main view that it is only good for blitz or rapid).
At least this is what I see in recent CC games.
One interesting line, the Kengis, and not clear why it has disappeared from normal games, has been topical in CC
(see the games by Schmidt).

The line is 5...g6 6.Bc4 c6 7.0-0 Bg7 8.Re1 0-0 9. Bb3 Nd7 (a move criticized on account of a game Kasparov-Adams and a "mistake" according to Taylor; the "normal Kengis move is 9...Be6 which appears to be Ok and, in my opinion, even preferable to 9...Nd7) 10.Nf3 b5 !? (note that Black is giving a pawn after Bxd5 and Nc3).
You see several games with this variation in CC  (the usual line in "normal" games is 10...Nf6 which has been played by Baburin, etc) with 11.Bxd5 or 11.a4.
One sees Black holding very easily.

There are a few players (not CC) that once in a while play 4...g6 (and thus would not to have something prepared after 7.Ng5 and 10.dxe5; waiting to see a game on this

Two more comments:

I)  7.Ng5 e6 8.Qf3 Qe7 9. Ne4 the main current good engines are coming back to 9...h6. The line that has
"refuted" this move is 10.exd6 cxd6 11.Bf4 e5?! 12.Be3 f5 13.Qg3!; however,
engines simply consider 11...d5 (!?) 12.Nd6+ Kf8 (further weakening the Black squares) with almost equality but with an apparent ugly position for Black. Even Pavlov has played this in a very recent CC game

ii) In the irritating variation, perhaps after 9.dxe5 h6,
the move 10.Be3 (instead of 10.Nf6+) could be considered and analysed

Finally, I saw that only a few number of pages are dedicated to this variation (including 8.f4) in Kornev's book on this variation, I wonder what he has in mind for Black

  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #8 - 01/29/19 at 12:01:40
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TonyRo wrote on 01/29/19 at 04:04:34:
I will check recent CC games in that long line with that critical Qc3! move.

As someone who's interested in this but is a very long way from being any sort of expert on the Alekhine, I have no idea what line you're referring to here, and reading the rest of the thread hasn't made this clear to me. Could you be a bit more specific about what line this occurs in, please? Thanks  Smiley
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #7 - 01/29/19 at 04:04:34
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I will check recent CC games in that long line with that critical Qc3! move. Last I looked and saw in that thread is that we all agreed it was annoying, and I couldn't find anything. I hope I am wrong or remembering incorrectly!
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #6 - 01/29/19 at 02:29:30
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I think Alekhines Defence..A Complete Guide has sold fairly well so I guess a lot of people still play the defence and therefore Chess Stars see a marketing opportunity....Haven't seen a lot of ICCF players using it which raises a few questions around it's reliability but doubtless still a good blitz weapon.
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #5 - 01/27/19 at 13:47:36
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Curious is the fact that a few years ago (not more than 2) I asked the editor of chess stars whether something on the Alekhine was planned and the answer was "No! who plays the Alekhine?"

The only article i know by Korned on the Alekhine, is on the White side, and based on o eof game of his in the line 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 Nc6.

The proposed repertoire is atractive to me.
I wonder what he planes against the 4PA, allowing the main line and then the choice is on the 9th Black move (which I guess will be 9...Be7) or will he suggest an earlier deviation as recent books do?

Tony: I remember your "irritating line" but it appears to me that this is Ok for Black, no? Recent correspondence games follow this variation and I have not seen Black losing, because of the opening.



  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #4 - 01/24/19 at 16:09:32
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To me 5...cxd6 is the only move worth considering, and you must play 9...Bf5! against the Voronezh. Has the benefit of being sufficient and interesting. Maybe 5...exd6 is sufficient, but not particularly interesting. To me White is just a tiny bit better in a mostly symmetrical pawn structure, which is an odd choice if you're going 1...Nf6 in the first place.

I am interested to see what he has done with 4...g6. It's not a bad move, but I think that the 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3 line with Ng5 later is just better for White. There is copious analysis on ChessPub supporting my opinion. Hopefully he's paid attention to it, but I doubt it, so I hope he's improved instead! I would hope he's covered 5...c6!? as well, which to me is pretty underrated.

I have always felt like like the Miles line was kind of lame for Black, so at least his recommendation is a little more spicy. I have always had a soft spot for the Kengis as well.

As for the 4PA, my research points to 5...dxe5 being pretty much the only playable option for Black, but I'm not even sure Black equalizes easily there either in the quieter lines with Be2, so I'm interested to see what Kornev has come up with here as well.
  
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Re: Kornev on Alekhine
Reply #3 - 01/24/19 at 05:26:52
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Can it not transpose to the line 4. Cf3 dxe5 5. Cxe5 g6 later ¿ I remember seeing this line in a repertoire book a few years ago. But I forgot by whom...

I am quite interesting in what he recommends in the main line of 5...cxd6 Exchange. Lately I see mostly 5...exd6.
  
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