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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #9 - 03/30/19 at 16:08:04
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 02/05/19 at 22:15:30:
MW wrote on 02/05/19 at 21:15:31:
I tend to prefer the Winawer but also played the Steinitz for a short time in ICCF. The 7...a6 variation was my choice as the lines aren't as forced as say 7...cxd4 followed by ..Qb6. But even so, generating any real winning chances (even against lower rated players) is difficult.   


7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Db6 is a line played by Nakamura and other sharp players.


7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Ac5 is the other less crazy line. But still sharp like as if it were the English Attack in the Taimanow.



7...cxd4 8. cxd4 Qb6 is really fun at the club level if you are prepared, especially in quick time controls.  You can pair it with 7...cxd4 8. cxd4 Bc5 in the same way (sharp vs. subtle) that you can pair the Morozevich lines in the Burn variation (Be7, gxf6 etc.) with the probably weaker but easier to play Bxf6 lines favored by Bareev etc.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #8 - 02/12/19 at 05:53:33
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I like to play Be7 and then 0-0 and b6. This is different from the a6-b5 plans and is hard to meet someone actually prepared against this line.

If white 0-0-0 then c4-b5 (or Rb8+b5) yields a very fast attack.
Otherwise the plan is f6 and breaking the pawn chain (ef6 then Nf6, because c5 is supported by b6).

  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #7 - 02/07/19 at 04:16:07
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MW wrote on 02/05/19 at 21:15:31:
I tend to prefer the Winawer but also played the Steinitz for a short time in ICCF. The 7...a6 variation was my choice as the lines aren't as forced as say 7...cxd4 followed by ..Qb6. But even so, generating any real winning chances (even against lower rated players) is difficult.


How do you find 7...Ae7 (with or without being available to transpose to 7...a6 later) in terms of generating winning chances ¿

One time in a tournament I was looking at the remaining games. One 2300 played 7...cxd4 and got destroyed in less than 25 moves in a kingside attack against some junior with something embarassing happening on h7. So I wonder if 7...cxd4 is simply much sharper than all of the other choices, which excites White players who are obsessed with attacking. At least compared to 7...a6 and 7...Ae7.

I have Jannick Pelletier's ChessBase DVD on French (in French language too  Cheesy) and he recommends 6...Ae7 7. Ae3 b6, where Black could transpose later to 7...Ae7 or otherwise try for trade the bitchops on a6. Looks interesting to me, but I have 0st experience here.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #6 - 02/05/19 at 22:28:15
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kylemeister wrote on 02/05/19 at 21:57:15:
since the Steinitz is played (chosen) by White.


Perhaps I should have said "I prefer the Winawer but have also allowed the Steinitz to be played" rather than I play the Steinitz. ....hope that clarifies my comment.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #5 - 02/05/19 at 22:15:30
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MW wrote on 02/05/19 at 21:15:31:
I tend to prefer the Winawer but also played the Steinitz for a short time in ICCF. The 7...a6 variation was my choice as the lines aren't as forced as say 7...cxd4 followed by ..Qb6. But even so, generating any real winning chances (even against lower rated players) is difficult.   


7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Db6 is a line played by Nakamura and other sharp players.


7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Ac5 is the other less crazy line. But still sharp like as if it were the English Attack in the Taimanow.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #4 - 02/05/19 at 21:57:15
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It's a little puzzling to see things like "7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Ac5 with a Sicilian type position looks interesting, but if one plays Steinitz, this line is very sharp compared to solid reputation of Steinitz" or "I tend to prefer the Winawer but also played the Steinitz," since the Steinitz is played (chosen) by White.

Re 7...a6 and 7...Be7, I was reminded of coming across some remarks by (Dutch GM) Jan Werle from Gibraltar.  (Incidentally the Bacrot game he refers to was also 0-1.)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/370729866?t=03h19m21s
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #3 - 02/05/19 at 21:15:31
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I tend to prefer the Winawer but also played the Steinitz for a short time in ICCF. The 7...a6 variation was my choice as the lines aren't as forced as say 7...cxd4 followed by ..Qb6. But even so, generating any real winning chances (even against lower rated players) is difficult.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #2 - 02/05/19 at 09:00:58
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I play Winawer too. I just thinking of if I played Classical for a change, what to play. Just as I prefer a positional game, I would never opt for the Poisoned Pawn Winawer, I am wonder about 7...cxd4 in Steinitz mainline. 7...a6 and 7...Ae7 are only other viable options. I only know that the ...b6 plans in 7...Ae7 are popular amongst GMs, but I know little about 7...cxd4.
  
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Re: Steinitz main line on move 7
Reply #1 - 02/05/19 at 08:11:51
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I play the Winawer, have to say. But when I was exploring alternatives (because of mere change, nothing bad with my beloved Winawer) I tent to consider 7...a6 easier to understand and very straightforward. I think 7...Be7 is better, but you have to understand the pros and cons where to transpose to a6 lines or cxd4 lines in a favourable version, avoiding some concrete move orders by White. Not easy.

7...cxd4 maybe is the more concrete and tactical and I never thought about it seriously, maybe is a good option too.

My 5 cents.
  
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Steinitz main line on move 7
02/05/19 at 06:45:38
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The Ntirlis/Aagaard book here recommends 7...a6, Lakdawala recommends 7...cxd4 and Witiugow gives both. 7...Ae7 is in Moskalenko's and Eingorn's book.

Which is more in fashion nowatimes in higher levels ¿ 7...cxd4 8. Cxd4 Ac5 with a Sicilian type position looks interesting, but if one plays Steinitz, this line is very sharp compared to solid reputation of Steinitz
  
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