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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #8 - 02/08/19 at 14:31:28
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I'm not sure if 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 f5 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4 Nf6 (the tempo win Nc6 won't run away) is superior to 3.e4 (which, like I wrote, almost forces d6).
  

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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #7 - 02/07/19 at 19:29:20
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Thank you for your thoughts. The ...e5 and ...f5 scenario is a real one for me to meet and it's good to know not to try the Botvinnik against it.
  
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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #6 - 02/07/19 at 19:27:46
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I think the Botvinnik System is a good option for white and I've had reasonable success with it ...but after 1c4 e5,  2 Nc3 f5, perhaps a better option (as black hasn't played ...Nc6) is the immediate 3 d4 attacking the centre....?
  
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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #5 - 02/07/19 at 16:20:58
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ham204 wrote on 02/06/19 at 16:06:13:
How about the early ...e5 and ...f5 by Black?


TonyRo wrote on 02/06/19 at 18:20:54:
What move order exactly? I'm doubtful that you're going to be able to successfully get e4 in.


White has 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 f5 3.e4 as d6 is almost forced. As a general rule the Botvinnik is not advisable as long as Black can still play ...Bb4 and/or ...Bc5.
For instance White should avoid something like 1.c4 f5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 Be7 5.d3 O-O 6.e4 as well.

  

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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #4 - 02/06/19 at 20:42:16
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If the move order is something like 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 f5 Marin recommends 4.Nf3 with 5.d4.
  
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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #3 - 02/06/19 at 18:20:54
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ham204 wrote on 02/06/19 at 16:06:13:
How about the early ...e5 and ...f5 by Black?

What move order exactly? I'm doubtful that you're going to be able to successfully get e4 in.
  
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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #2 - 02/06/19 at 16:06:13
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Thank you for your insight.

How about the early ...e5 and ...f5 by Black?
  
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Re: Botvinnik English
Reply #1 - 02/06/19 at 15:20:58
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Most of the English books recommend the Botvinnik against Black setups with ...g6, e.g. against the pure King's Indian setup, or against the 1...e5 setups that incorporate a later ...g6. Marin's book covers both, and Kosten's book covers just the latter. Both are full of great insights on the structure in general. When I was 16 I carried around Tony's book everywhere, and I still feel like I have a great handle on the Botvinnik positions with ...e5.
  
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Botvinnik English
02/06/19 at 14:18:15
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The English has been my 'go to' opening when I need to rest my QP openings. I'm thinking of  using it more. The Botvinnik English grip is very appealing. My question to my learnt friends is against which pawn structures is the Botvinnik English particularly effective?
  
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