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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #24 - 03/22/19 at 03:29:44
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kylemeister wrote on 03/21/19 at 20:46:11:
(One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")
Yes, a good quote, almost exact.

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Gligoric likes it and plays it. So did Botvinnik, and Rubinstein! I see the isolated d-Pawn and a hole in the White position on the Queenside. I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d4-d5.

Back in the day next to that quote I penciled in the names of famous players on the white side of 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.a4. Quoting myself here...

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also played by Portisch, Petrosian!, Karpov!, Spassky, Browne (badly), Polugaevsky, Geller, etc.
ECO quotes Larsen - Spassky, Leiden 1970.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1128857
Larsen didn't play d4-d5.

Nowadays we can add other famous names to that list. Half a lifetime ago, a young master at my club asked for my advice on a replacement for his tattered King's Indian. I advised the QGA, and we played some training games in this very line. Later in a tournament after one of his QGAs, I asked him if there were any other lines that were bothering him. He said no, everybody plays 7.a4. True then; but having recently taken up this opening myself, I now face a variety of 7.Bb3, 7.Bd3, 7.b3, etc., not to mention 3.e4, 4.Qa4+, and what-not.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #23 - 03/22/19 at 02:07:54
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/21/19 at 22:49:11:
That's a weird coincidence - i was in a chess book shop this afternoon and that was one of three books i picked up to have a look and that was the part that i was reading! Smiley


Ha!

From a bit in the sample I presume it includes the game Benko-Filip, Hoogovens 1970, involving 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dc 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.a4 Nc6 8.Qe2 cd 9.Rd1 Be7 10.ed O-O 11.Nc3 Nb4 12.Ne5 Nbd5(?!).
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #22 - 03/21/19 at 23:23:29
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My least favorite Nimzo-Indian line is 4.e3. I think I have something like 0/6 in it - and half of those games were with White! The positions are just a bit too quiet for my taste, and when they do heat up it's often in an IQP scenario, which is not my cup of tea either. I've never felt comfortable on either side of the IQP.

The right thing to do is of course to learn these position types instead of running away from them. But when I can play fianchetto-based defences instead and get both interesting, unbalanced positions and good results, sticking with the Nimzo would involve a sacrifice of short-term results for (hopefully) long-term gains.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #21 - 03/21/19 at 22:56:54
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ReneDescartes wrote on 03/06/19 at 19:14:15:
Well, a positional game against the KID is one thing. But it's pretty hard to know what a Nimzo player will find uncomfortable. The Nimzo is so huge that practically its only unifying feature is that it's unbalanced. You can find nearly anything in it except a road to dead symmetry--or a theoretical advantage. There are a lot of really tactical lines, a lot of classical lines, a lot of closed lines, etc. Now, 4.f3 O-O 5.e4 d5 6.e5, with a French-ish structure where Black is ahead in development, is hardly going to discomfit strategic players. Probably the least-favorite variation varies from player to player. Maybe it's better in this case to create something that you do like and understand well.


As a Nimzo player I do not mind tactical positions, but generally I do not go looking for lunacy in the opening if it is not necessary. That is what the Modern Benoni, KID, Semi-Slaw and others are for  Cheesy
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #20 - 03/21/19 at 22:49:11
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kylemeister wrote on 03/21/19 at 20:46:11:
Lakdawala: 
https://everymanchess.com/collections/new-paperback-books/products/opening-reper...

I notice that against the QGA he goes with 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. 0-0 a6 7. a4.  (One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")

That's a weird coincidence - i was in a chess book shop this afternoon and that was one of three books i picked up to have a look and that was the part that i was reading! Smiley
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #19 - 03/21/19 at 20:46:11
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Lakdawala: 
https://everymanchess.com/collections/new-paperback-books/products/opening-reper...

I notice that against the QGA he goes with 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. 0-0 a6 7. a4.  (One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #18 - 03/20/19 at 11:59:58
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i'm quite looking forward to the Moskalenko repertoire. i went through his book 'Revolutionize Your Chess' in a bit of detail.

his chapters on the Nimzo and 4 Pawns KID were nicely done, and i remember thinking that it would be great if he did a whole repertoire along the same lines. hopefully this is that book.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #17 - 03/06/19 at 19:14:15
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 02/22/19 at 06:23:09:
kylemeister wrote on 02/21/19 at 18:23:13:
Actually two DVDs ...which don't include the KID and Gruenfeld (against which he did a "solid and safe" DVD several years ago).


So "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4" but "Solid and Safe" against KID and Grünfeld ¿

Well it could go well with repertoire book of same type of big contrasts 4. f3 against Nimzo, yet Петросян against KID  Cheesy

I just bought the Pert DVD on the fianchetto defenses, and it's really good--it complements Wojo's Weapons Vol. 2 very well, and shares many of the same lines. Pert sometimes goes even farther than Ippolito/Hilton on the use of neutralizing variations: he allows White to avoid nearly all positions with the classic KID pawn center adn c5 vs. ...f5 breaks. But he also gives more detailed theory on the main ...Nbd7 lines.

Well, a positional game against the KID is one thing. But it's pretty hard to know what a Nimzo player will find uncomfortable. The Nimzo is so huge that practically its only unifying feature is that it's unbalanced. You can find nearly anything in it except a road to dead symmetry--or a theoretical advantage. There are a lot of really tactical lines, a lot of classical lines, a lot of closed lines, etc. Now, 4.f3 O-O 5.e4 d5 6.e5, with a French-ish structure where Black is ahead in development, is hardly going to discomfit strategic players. Probably the least-favorite variation varies from player to player. Maybe it's better in this case to create something that you do like and understand well.

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #16 - 03/06/19 at 18:11:37
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I am pretty happy with both authors so I will get both. I wish there was some more info on what moskalenko has in his. Oh i saw what pert has in his DVD and being a d4 player, was not sold on it being so attaching for some reason, he did have some lines I liked so will probably get it down the road. Also have to see what the one on the kid and grunfeld are on. He is a great presenter though. Simon Williams did a very aggressive d4 rep also which I kije, just have not had time to look at all of it yet.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #15 - 02/22/19 at 18:02:23
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 02/22/19 at 06:23:09:
kylemeister wrote on 02/21/19 at 18:23:13:
Actually two DVDs ...which don't include the KID and Gruenfeld (against which he did a "solid and safe" DVD several years ago).


So "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4" but "Solid and Safe" against KID and Grünfeld ¿

Well it could go well with repertoire book of same type of big contrasts 4. f3 against Nimzo, yet Петросян against KID  Cheesy

There is something to be said in playing quieter openings against aggressive players/systems and vice versa.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #14 - 02/22/19 at 06:23:09
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kylemeister wrote on 02/21/19 at 18:23:13:
Actually two DVDs ...which don't include the KID and Gruenfeld (against which he did a "solid and safe" DVD several years ago).


So "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4" but "Solid and Safe" against KID and Grünfeld ¿

Well it could go well with repertoire book of same type of big contrasts 4. f3 against Nimzo, yet Петросян against KID  Cheesy
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #13 - 02/21/19 at 21:19:36
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grandpatzer wrote on 02/21/19 at 21:08:15:
What is the source for Moskalenko's book? I can't see it anywhere


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9056918303/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2

ETA:  now also here.
https://www.newinchess.com/an-attacking-repertoire-for-white-with-1-d4
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #12 - 02/21/19 at 21:08:15
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What is the source for Moskalenko's book? I can't see it anywhere
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #11 - 02/21/19 at 18:23:13
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alyechin wrote on 02/21/19 at 10:23:13:
N. Pert published an "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4", DVD


Actually two DVDs ...which don't include the KID and Gruenfeld (against which he did a "solid and safe" DVD several years ago).
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #10 - 02/21/19 at 10:23:13
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N. Pert published an "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4", DVD
  
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