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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #31 - 04/26/19 at 18:45:37
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gillbod wrote on 03/20/19 at 11:59:58:
i'm quite looking forward to the Moskalenko repertoire. i went through his book 'Revolutionize Your Chess' in a bit of detail.

his chapters on the Nimzo and 4 Pawns KID were nicely done, and i remember thinking that it would be great if he did a whole repertoire along the same lines. hopefully this is that book.

The new Moskalenko cover is rad - imo, the best chessbook cover in quite some time.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #30 - 04/26/19 at 15:28:28
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thanks kylemeister. I tried to answer but I got the moves wrong anyway. I saw your answer and was able to quickly delete my post. Everyman's pdf sample correctly has a black queen on d8. Their pgn sample is missing the black queen.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #29 - 04/26/19 at 15:13:37
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1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dc 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. 0-0 cd 13. Nxd4 Nxe5 14. Bb5+ Nd7 15. Re1 Rc8 16. b3 (16. Qh5 is an old book move).
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #28 - 04/26/19 at 14:27:25
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In the PDF introduction to Lakdawala's book, he gives the following position from the Meran Semi-Slav a digram. Does anyone know how this position arises?

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #27 - 03/26/19 at 02:42:12
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/22/19 at 12:03:48:
MNb, I agree with your post except for two small things.

MNb wrote on 03/22/19 at 10:14:30:
... 100 ELO points (who cares about it anyway, except you yourself?!) ...
The opponent also cares about the 100 Elo.

I do care a bit about those 100 points, as they would put me on the brink of the FM title... and probably clinch it eventually by a random tournament overperformance.

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/22/19 at 12:03:48:
MNb wrote on 03/22/19 at 10:14:30:
... it's typical for amateurs to perform better in positions they like ...
This can become complicated. It's typical for amateurs to stick with an opening that is not serving them well simply because they like it.

Among the many different ways to do this, one approach I've seen many times is improving players sticking to a limited repertoire while reaching for the FM and IM titles, maybe just discarding some dubious openings on the way. But then if they're going for the GM title, most people branch out to be less predictable.

Which makes me think as long as I limit my (Dutch) Leningrad adventures there's no pressing need to master the Nimzo-Indian at this point. Though being bad at IQP positions may well be seen as a fundamental flaw, so studying them and mixing in some openings that feature them is still a good idea in general.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #26 - 03/22/19 at 12:03:48
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MNb, I agree with your post except for two small things.

MNb wrote on 03/22/19 at 10:14:30:
... 100 ELO points (who cares about it anyway, except you yourself?!) ...
The opponent also cares about the 100 Elo.

MNb wrote on 03/22/19 at 10:14:30:
... it's typical for amateurs to perform better in positions they like ...
This can become complicated. It's typical for amateurs to stick with an opening that is not serving them well simply because they like it.

Of course amateurs should keep the enjoyment in chess. But fun is such an individual thing. I find winning more fun than losing, as do most players. But for me, analyzing afterwards (win or lose) is actually even more fun than playing. My friends joke about this, that's their fun. In terms of study I enjoy learning something new, it could be an opening, and I enjoy it even more when I can use my new knowledge to win a game.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #25 - 03/22/19 at 10:14:30
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Stigma wrote on 03/21/19 at 23:23:29:
The right thing to do is of course to learn these position types instead of running away from them.

If you're a professional, yes. If your most important goal is to get a rating as high as possible, yes. Otherwise it might be the wrong thing to do.

Stigma wrote on 03/21/19 at 23:23:29:
But when I can play fianchetto-based defences instead and get both interesting, unbalanced positions and good results, sticking with the Nimzo would involve a sacrifice of short-term results for (hopefully) long-term gains.

An eternal discussion.
Sacrificing fun on the short term for long-term gains you don't seem to enjoy that much either doesn't sound like a smart deal in my ears. Sacrifing 100 ELO points (who cares about it anyway, except you yourself?!) for years of chess pleasure is a much better deal, don't you think? And it's even questionable if you do sacrifice those ELO points, because it's typical for amateurs to perform better in positions they like - even in the long term.
In corr. chess i've 5/8 with 4.e3 (exclusively as White). That's unsurprising, given our very different preferences.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #24 - 03/22/19 at 03:29:44
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kylemeister wrote on 03/21/19 at 20:46:11:
(One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")
Yes, a good quote, almost exact.

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Gligoric likes it and plays it. So did Botvinnik, and Rubinstein! I see the isolated d-Pawn and a hole in the White position on the Queenside. I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d4-d5.

Back in the day next to that quote I penciled in the names of famous players on the white side of 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.a4. Quoting myself here...

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also played by Portisch, Petrosian!, Karpov!, Spassky, Browne (badly), Polugaevsky, Geller, etc.
ECO quotes Larsen - Spassky, Leiden 1970.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1128857
Larsen didn't play d4-d5.

Nowadays we can add other famous names to that list. Half a lifetime ago, a young master at my club asked for my advice on a replacement for his tattered King's Indian. I advised the QGA, and we played some training games in this very line. Later in a tournament after one of his QGAs, I asked him if there were any other lines that were bothering him. He said no, everybody plays 7.a4. True then; but having recently taken up this opening myself, I now face a variety of 7.Bb3, 7.Bd3, 7.b3, etc., not to mention 3.e4, 4.Qa4+, and what-not.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #23 - 03/22/19 at 02:07:54
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/21/19 at 22:49:11:
That's a weird coincidence - i was in a chess book shop this afternoon and that was one of three books i picked up to have a look and that was the part that i was reading! Smiley


Ha!

From a bit in the sample I presume it includes the game Benko-Filip, Hoogovens 1970, involving 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dc 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.a4 Nc6 8.Qe2 cd 9.Rd1 Be7 10.ed O-O 11.Nc3 Nb4 12.Ne5 Nbd5(?!).
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #22 - 03/21/19 at 23:23:29
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My least favorite Nimzo-Indian line is 4.e3. I think I have something like 0/6 in it - and half of those games were with White! The positions are just a bit too quiet for my taste, and when they do heat up it's often in an IQP scenario, which is not my cup of tea either. I've never felt comfortable on either side of the IQP.

The right thing to do is of course to learn these position types instead of running away from them. But when I can play fianchetto-based defences instead and get both interesting, unbalanced positions and good results, sticking with the Nimzo would involve a sacrifice of short-term results for (hopefully) long-term gains.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #21 - 03/21/19 at 22:56:54
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ReneDescartes wrote on 03/06/19 at 19:14:15:
Well, a positional game against the KID is one thing. But it's pretty hard to know what a Nimzo player will find uncomfortable. The Nimzo is so huge that practically its only unifying feature is that it's unbalanced. You can find nearly anything in it except a road to dead symmetry--or a theoretical advantage. There are a lot of really tactical lines, a lot of classical lines, a lot of closed lines, etc. Now, 4.f3 O-O 5.e4 d5 6.e5, with a French-ish structure where Black is ahead in development, is hardly going to discomfit strategic players. Probably the least-favorite variation varies from player to player. Maybe it's better in this case to create something that you do like and understand well.


As a Nimzo player I do not mind tactical positions, but generally I do not go looking for lunacy in the opening if it is not necessary. That is what the Modern Benoni, KID, Semi-Slaw and others are for  Cheesy
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #20 - 03/21/19 at 22:49:11
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kylemeister wrote on 03/21/19 at 20:46:11:
Lakdawala: 
https://everymanchess.com/collections/new-paperback-books/products/opening-reper...

I notice that against the QGA he goes with 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. 0-0 a6 7. a4.  (One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")

That's a weird coincidence - i was in a chess book shop this afternoon and that was one of three books i picked up to have a look and that was the part that i was reading! Smiley
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #19 - 03/21/19 at 20:46:11
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Lakdawala: 
https://everymanchess.com/collections/new-paperback-books/products/opening-reper...

I notice that against the QGA he goes with 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. 0-0 a6 7. a4.  (One thing that always tends to remind me of is a bit from Larsen from ~45 years ago, approximately:  "Botvinnik likes it and plays it.  So does Gligoric!  I see an isolated pawn and a hole in the white position at b4.  I see no initiative, but maybe White can draw with a quick d5.")
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #18 - 03/20/19 at 11:59:58
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i'm quite looking forward to the Moskalenko repertoire. i went through his book 'Revolutionize Your Chess' in a bit of detail.

his chapters on the Nimzo and 4 Pawns KID were nicely done, and i remember thinking that it would be great if he did a whole repertoire along the same lines. hopefully this is that book.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #17 - 03/06/19 at 19:14:15
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 02/22/19 at 06:23:09:
kylemeister wrote on 02/21/19 at 18:23:13:
Actually two DVDs ...which don't include the KID and Gruenfeld (against which he did a "solid and safe" DVD several years ago).


So "Attacking Repertoire with 1.d4" but "Solid and Safe" against KID and Grünfeld ¿

Well it could go well with repertoire book of same type of big contrasts 4. f3 against Nimzo, yet Петросян against KID  Cheesy

I just bought the Pert DVD on the fianchetto defenses, and it's really good--it complements Wojo's Weapons Vol. 2 very well, and shares many of the same lines. Pert sometimes goes even farther than Ippolito/Hilton on the use of neutralizing variations: he allows White to avoid nearly all positions with the classic KID pawn center adn c5 vs. ...f5 breaks. But he also gives more detailed theory on the main ...Nbd7 lines.

Well, a positional game against the KID is one thing. But it's pretty hard to know what a Nimzo player will find uncomfortable. The Nimzo is so huge that practically its only unifying feature is that it's unbalanced. You can find nearly anything in it except a road to dead symmetry--or a theoretical advantage. There are a lot of really tactical lines, a lot of classical lines, a lot of closed lines, etc. Now, 4.f3 O-O 5.e4 d5 6.e5, with a French-ish structure where Black is ahead in development, is hardly going to discomfit strategic players. Probably the least-favorite variation varies from player to player. Maybe it's better in this case to create something that you do like and understand well.

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