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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #47 - 07/01/19 at 04:50:42
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Which variation exactly in 12. h4 is he recommends ¿ And about computer lines, which engine is he using ¿ This very important in these Winawer lines.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #46 - 06/30/19 at 20:58:38
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Anyone compared Miedema's Winawer lines with the German chess24 Videos of IM Baskin (Nc3 repertoire for White series)?

Though Baskin is in my opinion the most terrible presenter in chess video history as he rushes through his computer lines, contentwise it is really scary for Black as his computer shows that 12.h4 makes the Qc7 variation almost unplayable for Black.

I would be interested if Miedema found something compared to Baskin.
  
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Reply #45 - 06/08/19 at 21:11:35
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I continued analysing this line, interesting setups for Black.

I wonder if can make request for John Watson in Chesspublishing's French section monthly update to see what he thinks of 9. Ag5 ¿
  
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Reply #44 - 05/28/19 at 21:31:56
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In databank, I see that Miedema actually has played this in game Dijkhuis-Miedema, Amsterdam 2013

11...c4 12. Axg6 fxg6 13. a4 Dc7 14. Ac1 Df7 15. Aa3 Td8.

instead of trading queens.

He messed up and lost in 28 moves. Yet I think that this looks interesting. Black keep queens on board trying for a middlegame instead of trading on f5.

Perhaps his loss soured his taste for Black in 9. Ag5 ¿ I think that his position at move 15 looks interesting though.

I shall analyse this some more.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #43 - 05/28/19 at 04:56:04
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I tried some White attempt after putting rooks on a1/b1 and Black defends by switching his rook from f7 to b7. With no pawn break but try infiltrate with pieces through Black's kingside, computer gave extremely weird plan with Cg5 trying to make weakness by forcing a ...h6. Then after ...h6, Ch7 Cf7, going after g7 pawn with Af8. But then Black plays the ridiculous looking ...Ch8 and Stockfish 10 gives me "=" at 0,00  Cheesy

If White retreats Ch3, Cf7 and again around =. With that Ad6, White cannot retreat to a3 since he hangs a4 pawn. Best case scenario he sacs pawn by allowing Black take d6 and lose his d6 pawn hoping for dark square compensation. But even here compensation only good for equality.

On p. 288 of Miedema's book in chapter of one of the main lines in Poisoned Prawn, analysis past move 40 gives position where White plays R+B against Black's R+P. If White can play perfectly and memorise all of this he could try to torture Black in this endgame, despite it being objectively drawn.

Similarly in this 11...c4 I think that optically White looks more active, perhaps with perfect computer-aided play White can try to do something, but even then looks to me nothing really worse compared to White's best play in PP  Cool
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #42 - 05/28/19 at 04:18:11
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/28/19 at 03:01:24:
Syzygy wrote on 05/28/19 at 02:35:34:
I analyzed this set-up for Black for a while. After something like 13. a4 Qc7 14. Bc1 Qf7 15. Ba3 Qf5 16. Qxf5 Rxf5 17. h4 b6, White's best try seems to be to contain the strong ...a5! idea by doubling rooks on the b-file and placing the bishop on d6. Then, White should slowly expand on the kingside while eyeing a possible Ra1/Bb4/a5 break.


Black has to counter that with having bitchop point always at a4 pawn. Another motive is setup with the strange looking putting rooks on b7 and a6, knight on d8 freeing a4-e8 diagonal pointing towards that a4 pawn again. So if White doubles rooks, Black has it defended b6 pawn anyway, and is threatening to take a4 pawn.

If White does Ad6 too early, Cd8-b7 looks interesting threatening to take then win loose d6-pawn.

By this time White has to protect that a4 pawn again. If moves rook back to a1/a2, Black can take off one of his rooks from that defensive setup. If White goes g4 and tries to deflect, Black can put one of the rook on the f-file, and go back to defend b6 pawn if necessary.

To make anything serious on the kingside, White would weaken his pawns and/or have to sacrifice his a4 pawn.


To me it looks more like some odd "positional draw" with very best precise play. In other words, both White and Black get stuck shuffling round their pieces Cheesy


I came to the same defensive conclusions for Black. Indeed, a hasty Bd6 or pawn break for White only leads to equality. If Black establishes the a5/Rb7/Ra6 set-up and keeps the bishop on the a4 pawn, then White will not be able to break through.

On the other hand, Black can only achieve this defensive set-up if he achieves ...a5 in the first place. Because the knight on c6 is in the way of the bishop, Black is unable to attack the a4 pawn, bring his rooks back to the queenside, and contain the a5 break all at the same time. I think if White is fast enough, he can frustrate Black's plan.

In the end, the evaluation of the endgame is probably a matter of taste.  Smiley
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #41 - 05/28/19 at 03:01:24
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Syzygy wrote on 05/28/19 at 02:35:34:
I analyzed this set-up for Black for a while. After something like 13. a4 Qc7 14. Bc1 Qf7 15. Ba3 Qf5 16. Qxf5 Rxf5 17. h4 b6, White's best try seems to be to contain the strong ...a5! idea by doubling rooks on the b-file and placing the bishop on d6. Then, White should slowly expand on the kingside while eyeing a possible Ra1/Bb4/a5 break.


Black has to counter that with having bitchop point always at a4 pawn. Another motive is setup with the strange looking putting rooks on b7 and a6, knight on d8 freeing a4-e8 diagonal pointing towards that a4 pawn again. So if White doubles rooks, Black has it defended b6 pawn anyway, and is threatening to take a4 pawn.

If White does Ad6 too early, Cd8-b7 looks interesting threatening to take then win loose d6-pawn.

By this time White has to protect that a4 pawn again. If moves rook back to a1/a2, Black can take off one of his rooks from that defensive setup. If White goes g4 and tries to deflect, Black can put one of the rook on the f-file, and go back to defend b6 pawn if necessary.

To make anything serious on the kingside, White would weaken his pawns and/or have to sacrifice his a4 pawn.


To me it looks more like some odd "positional draw" with very best precise play. In other words, both White and Black get stuck shuffling round their pieces Cheesy
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #40 - 05/28/19 at 02:35:34
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/28/19 at 00:58:24:
Syzygy wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:57:08:
If Black wants to deviate in a meaningful way, he should probably do it on the 11th move. I think 11...b5! is his best bet.


Having said that, White attempt to bust through violently with 12. f4 c4 13. f5 looks critical.


I missed 13. f5! After the immediate break, it does appear that White has a strong attack. Therefore, 11...c4 seems like Black's best try for equality.

Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:53:47:
Syzygy wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:46:56:
11...c4 12. Bxg6 fxg6 13. a4 is simply better for White. The bishop is coming to a3.


I have analysed this. Whilst it looks like it can go to a3, White has to deal with weakness of a4 pawn, should Black play ...b6 and ...Ad7.

With a Aa3 by White, that a4 pawn is undefended and bitchop needs to move again to allow rook to protect it. And even then, a1 rook cannot move without fall of his a4 pawn.

To offset this, White has to force a5 in. But Black can block this with seemingly weak ...a5!, fixing that a4 pawn on light square. With Black's ...Ad7 pointing at a4, I cannot see how this is not constant nuisance for White.


I analyzed this set-up for Black for a while. After something like 13. a4 Qc7 14. Bc1 Qf7 15. Ba3 Qf5 16. Qxf5 Rxf5 17. h4 b6, White's best try seems to be to contain the strong ...a5! idea by doubling rooks on the b-file and placing the bishop on d6. Then, White should slowly expand on the kingside while eyeing a possible Ra1/Bb4/a5 break.

That said, Black has a kind of fortress and the endgame is hard to analyze. The computer consistently gives evaluations between +0.5 and +1.0, but of course I do not trust that in this kind of position. My instinct is that Black can hold with this set-up, but it seems like White is playing for two results.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #39 - 05/28/19 at 00:58:24
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Syzygy wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:57:08:
If Black wants to deviate in a meaningful way, he should probably do it on the 11th move. I think 11...b5! is his best bet.


Actually I had analysed 11...b5 for about two months everyday. It leads to crazy and very weird positions.

The main point is Black keeps his queen on a5, ready to retrat to c7 to go f7->f5 if necessary, which not possible in the main line where he puts it on a4, costing him two tempi.

The pawn on b5 also prevents White queenside expansion. If White forces a4, b-file opens and gives Black counterplay.

Having said that, White attempt to bust through violently with 12. f4 c4 13. f5 looks critical.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #38 - 05/28/19 at 00:36:53
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One thing is for sure. If the engine evaluates as +1.0 to +1.5 and you have analysis where black can keep it in the = to += range, you will do a good business in the French. All the better for you if the engine still evaluates it as +1.0. Contempt like that will surely mess with a human mind.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #37 - 05/27/19 at 20:57:08
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If Black wants to deviate in a meaningful way, he should probably do it on the 11th move. I think 11...b5! is his best bet. Now, White has two options:

12. h4 c4 13. Bxg6 fxg6 14. f3! Qb6 15. Kh2 with perhaps a slight advantage.

12. f4 c4 13. Bxg6 fxg6 14. f5 Rxf5 15. h4! leads to a similar type of position as the main line. I think Black's defense is easier, since the queen can drop back, but the position is still dangerous. For instance:

15...Bd7 16. Rxf5 gxf5 17. Qg3 Kf7 18. h5 Rg8 19. Bh4 with the initiative.

15...Qc7 16. Rxf5 exf5 17. Qg3 Qf7 18. Nf4 a5 19. Kf2 Ra7 20. Re1 Be6 21. Rh1 and the attack continues.

I do not know if this much analysis is justified in this thread, but I find that Black is playing with fire in this entire line. I'm curious to know what @Leon_Trotsky has in mind to save Black's chances.

Edit: Ah, I didn't see your latest post before posting this. I'll take another look at 11...c4.
  
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Reply #36 - 05/27/19 at 20:53:47
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Syzygy wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:46:56:
10...Qa4 11. h4 +/-


I analysed this a whilst ago. Problem is that 10...Da4 11. f4 c4 12. f5!! +- this idea comes back and haunt Black.

Syzygy wrote on 05/27/19 at 20:46:56:
11...c4 12. Bxg6 fxg6 13. a4 is simply better for White. The bishop is coming to a3.


I have analysed this. Whilst it looks like it can go to a3, White has to deal with weakness of a4 pawn, should Black play ...b6 and ...Ad7.

With a Aa3 by White, that a4 pawn is undefended and bitchop needs to move again to allow rook to protect it. And even then, a1 rook cannot move without fall of his a4 pawn.

To offset this, White has to force a5 in. But Black can block this with seemingly weak ...a5!, fixing that a4 pawn on light square. With Black's ...Ad7 pointing at a4, I cannot see how this is not constant nuisance for White.

This a4 idea with Aa3 is also possible in the older main line with 14. Ta2 (instead of 14. f5). This because Black ends up moving his queen back to a5 anyway. But whether White wants to do it, he can do it there too. Personally I do not find it problem for Black.

In database there was some game by Miedema in 11...c4, if I remembered well. He did not play setup exactly as I would have though. Other players like Tatew Abrahamjan played 11...c4 too, but not the way I would recommend.
  
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Re: Modernised French Defence by Miedema
Reply #35 - 05/27/19 at 20:46:56
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I don't think it's as simple as avoiding the main line. Black gets brutalized in many of the side variations:

9...Qc7 10. Nf3 Ng6 11. h4 cxd4 12. cxd4 h5 13. Qxh5 Nxd4 14. Kf1! +/-

9...Qe8 10. Nf3 Ng6 11. h4 f5 12. Qg3 f4 13. Qh3! with a strong attack.

9...Qa5 10. Ne2 and now:

10...b6 11. h4 +/-
10...Qa4 11. h4 +/-
10...cxd4 11. f4 +/-
10...Qc7 11. h4 Kh8 12. Rh3 cxd4 13. cxd4 Nf5 14. O-O-O! +/-
10...Bd7 11. O-O +/- Black is simply too slow.
10...Re8 11. Bh6 Ng6 12. h4 is winning.

10...Ng6 11. O-O and now:

11...c4 12. Bxg6 fxg6 13. a4 is simply better for White. The bishop is coming to a3.

11...Qa4 12. f4 c4 13. Bxg6 fxg6 14. f5! is the infamous main line. Black can deviate from the immediate 12...c4 but White will force through the push in any case.
  
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Reply #34 - 05/27/19 at 19:31:00
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derdudea wrote on 05/27/19 at 13:13:24:
As far as 7...0-0 8.Bd3 Nc6 is concerned, Black lost every (!!!) game in my database in the main variation 12.f4 and 14.f5!. Twelve games from 2015 to 2018.


I know about this 9. Ag5 variation. 14. f5 is a killer move in the main line. Black simply has to avoid this main line, and he is fine.

derdudea wrote on 05/27/19 at 13:13:24:
Miedima played the black side in a game where White thankfully played 12. f4 and 14. Ra2, so he had every reason to analyse the consequences of 14.f5!


I have seen some of his games in 9. Ag5. I am not sure what he thinks of deviating from the line with 14. f5 now.

In any case, I did my own analysis, and seems Black is fine when he avoids any line where White forces through f5.
  
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Reply #33 - 05/27/19 at 13:13:24
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As far as 7...0-0 8.Bd3 Nc6 is concerned, Black lost every (!!!) game in my database in the main variation 12.f4 and 14.f5!. Twelve games from 2015 to 2018.

Miedima played the black side in a game where White thankfully played 12. f4 and 14. Ra2, so he had every reason to analyse the consequences of 14.f5!
  
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Reply #32 - 05/08/19 at 20:54:09
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That book is really good but outdated. Having spent over two years analysing 7. Dg4 0-0 8. Ad3 Cbc6 by myself, honestly I do not fear this as Black.

I still disagree on 9. Ag5 being +-. It is true that Berg's main line here and then White's 14. f5 is a killer. But you can deviate much earlier before that.
  
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Reply #31 - 05/08/19 at 20:14:23
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Just get Kindermann and Dirr to update their magnum opus on the topic Smiley
  
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Reply #30 - 05/08/19 at 18:51:33
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This month French update discusses 7. Dg4 0-0 game in USA Women Championchip, stating that Black players recently reluctant to enter main lines of this variation. But apparently letting White destroy kingside in PP is not so scary for Black ¿¡  Cheesy Must be matter of taste.

Maybe I should write book for black on 7. Dg4 0-0 Cheesy
  
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Reply #29 - 04/29/19 at 02:55:56
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Only received this book last Friday so haven't had much time to go through it....however, the 12 h4 line in the poison pawn variation, which caused me concern, seems to have been well covered with some interesting ideas for black!!
  
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Reply #28 - 04/10/19 at 22:55:51
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I spent almost one whole month on analysing 7. Dg4 0-0 8. Ad3 Cbc6 9. Ag5, sometimes checking each move by leaving on Stockfish for several hours on critical moments. I think that I found some new stuff for Black  Cheesy If I ever get to play this in over the board on a classical game maybe it shows up on database Cheesy

But I been tinking about 7...Dc7. Is true that Black is the one with initiative instead of White. After reading Miedema's book I probably would play both 7...0-0 and Poisoned Prawn. It is a ridiculous amount of theory for White to remember to play against both 7...0-0 and PP.

I think that the only way that White can remember all of this is (besides correspondence chess, because no one can forget theory here  Grin) if he prepares right before the start of the round, or he simply is lunatic and spends all his time memorising this theory.
  
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Reply #27 - 03/31/19 at 19:28:06
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tp2205 wrote on 03/31/19 at 16:32:42:
I don't think the variations are especially new (no books access at the moment so I cannot make sure, but they are definitely analysed in detail in Berg). The Kb8,Bc8,b6,Bb7 idea in particular is quite old. So in this case 19 moves deep should be ok.


Also this has all been discussed in John Watson's columns on this site as early as 2015 ...so nothing new given out on this forum.

IMO the problem is that unless you have a specialised chess retailer in your area enabling you to browse the content in store you are being asked to buy chess books virtually blind online these days.

The content and excerpt pages that the publisher produces are generally pretty unhelpful so I think this Forum is useful. Had it not been for the assistance received from this site I would not have purchased the book...whereas following the info received I have decided to make the purchase.
  
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Reply #26 - 03/31/19 at 16:32:42
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Bibs wrote on 03/31/19 at 12:42:30:
*Mod Note*

Not a moderator here, but in another thread.
That said...

It’s lovely that members can discuss content to an extent. That members reply to queries, noting line choices.

But. And it’s a large respectful to authors ‘but’.

Out of respect for the authors, best not give all the detail eh? Agree?
Going 19 moves deep as prior seems just too much. Don’t give alll the analysis away. The book can be bought for that.

Best regards to all,

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I don't think the variations are especially new (no books access at the moment so I cannot make sure, but they are definitely analysed in detail in Berg). The Kb8,Bc8,b6,Bb7 idea in particular is quite old. So in this case 19 moves deep should be ok.
  
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Reply #25 - 03/31/19 at 12:42:30
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*Mod Note*

Not a moderator here, but in another thread.
That said...

It’s lovely that members can discuss content to an extent. That members reply to queries, noting line choices.

But. And it’s a large respectful to authors ‘but’.

Out of respect for the authors, best not give all the detail eh? Agree?
Going 19 moves deep as prior seems just too much. Don’t give alll the analysis away. The book can be bought for that.

Best regards to all,

B

  
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Reply #24 - 03/31/19 at 11:30:58
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What is his assessment of the alternative main line with 5a3 Bxc3+ 6bxc3 b6?

Appreciate any thoughts here please.
  
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Reply #23 - 03/29/19 at 01:50:37
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Reply #22 - 03/29/19 at 01:27:45
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MW wrote on 03/29/19 at 00:22:07:
So does the author also suggest 12....Bd7 after 12 h4? If so does the line then go 13 h5 0-0-0 14 Qd3 d4 15 h6....and if so is he able to demonstrate a satisfactory position for black from here?


The main lines goes:

12. h4 Ad7 13. Dd3 d4 14. h5 0-0-0 15. h6 Rb8 16. h7 Th8 17. Tb1 Ac8

-18. Rf2 b6 19. a4 f6

-18. g4 b6 19. Th6 Ab7

Both of those lines go deep into crazy lunatic positions that are extremely tactical but at the very finish end in equality.

Since I am not a Poisoned Pawn player, this is new and a lot to remember for me. But the other side is that it would be a lot for White to remember too.

All of the analyses must have been checked with computer, because a lot of lines are non-human type moves that must be found.
  
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Reply #21 - 03/29/19 at 00:22:07
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 03/26/19 at 04:09:44:
If I understand correctly when reading this part, on 12. Dd3 he feels that 12...Ad7 is very good to play for win because people spend much time on 12...d4, and he thinks that 12...Ad7 is older with ideas to uncover. But still he gives both choices in this chapter.


So does the author also suggest 12....Bd7 after 12 h4? If so does the line then go 13 h5 0-0-0 14 Qd3 d4 15 h6....and if so is he able to demonstrate a satisfactory position for black from here?

Appreciate your help on this.
  
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Reply #20 - 03/26/19 at 04:09:44
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A little more detail:

Miedema chooses the alternative move order with 4. e5 Ce7 and going down the Winawer that way. On 5. Ad2 b6.

On 4. exd5 exd5 5. Ad3 Cf6 keeping options open.

For an alternative line, in 4. e5 Ce7 5. a3 Axc3+ 6. bxc3 b6 there is one chapter.

In the line with 7. Dg4 Dc7 8. Ad3 c4 is given, leading to blocked like positions.

If I understand correctly when reading this part, on 12. Dd3 he feels that 12...Ad7 is very good to play for win because people spend much time on 12...d4, and he thinks that 12...Ad7 is older with ideas to uncover. But still he gives both choices in this chapter.

After all the years playing the French off and on, I am still not familiar with some of these lines. I would describe the book as quirky but very interesting and original. Is not like the previous more mainstream books that covered Winawer, it seems more out of the box to me. But in a good way  Cheesy
  
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Stigma wrote on 03/25/19 at 21:29:23:
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Interestingly enough there is a game in the US Championship today between Liang and Akobian in the 8 Bd3 line. Akobian played 7...cxd4 and followed 8 Bd3 with Qc7 rather than ...Qa5 no doubt transposing back to Miedema's recommendations.
  
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Stigma wrote on 03/25/19 at 19:20:55:
Hi Leon_Trotsky,

Have you considered sending Miedama an e-mail to ask him personally for a bit more information on what he believes is wrong with 7...0-0?

He seems like a nice guy. If you introduce yourself as a fellow Winawer enthusiast, you may get a good answer.  Smiley


That sounds interesting. Do you know him personally or he has a public e-mail listed somewhere ¿

No, I don't know him. I've only run into him a couple of times at tournaments where he was selling NIC Magazine subscriptions (at least I believe it was him, but not 100% sure).

Some authors give a contact e-mail for feedback in their books. If he didn't, you could try reaching him through the publisher.
  

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Stigma wrote on 03/25/19 at 19:20:55:
Hi Leon_Trotsky,

Have you considered sending Miedama an e-mail to ask him personally for a bit more information on what he believes is wrong with 7...0-0?

He seems like a nice guy. If you introduce yourself as a fellow Winawer enthusiast, you may get a good answer.  Smiley


That sounds interesting. Do you know him personally or he has a public e-mail listed somewhere ¿

I had thought that he had found something very deep in the main lines of 13...Df7 or 13...b5 that no one has found yet that could alter the evaluations. But it looks like 9. Ag5 is what he dislikes. I vaguely remember a while ago Erwin L'Ami (if remember correctly) did a short article in ChessBase Magazine about 9. Ag5 for White with some strange new breakthrough after White takes on g6, where White forces f5 at all cost to weaken the d5 point. I wonder if this is part of why Miedema dislikes now 7...0-0.

And both are Dutch players, maybe players in the Netherlands know something about 9. Ag5 that we do not  Cheesy

MW wrote on 03/25/19 at 19:43:57:
Would be really interested to know what is proposed after 12h4 in the main line. I have tried both 12...d4 and 12...b6 with no success but suspect that 12...b6 may be worth looking at more deeply.


If I understand correctly, on the page 215 he says that he has "no specific move order preference" between 12. h4 Ad7 or 12...d4. So I guess he recommends the setup with both moves included. However he does not like the sideline 12...b6 and gives 13. Cxc3 with a +/=.

12. Dd3 d4 and 12...Ad7 both given.

I am just looking through it today, first impression on the book would be high marks  Smiley
  
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Hi Leon_Trotsky,

Would be really interested to know what is proposed after 12h4 in the main line. I have tried both 12...d4 and 12...b6 with no success but suspect that 12...b6 may be worth looking at more deeply.

Don't think that the other frequently played 12...Bd7 holds much for black but who knows!

Without some solution to 12h4 I agree with you that 7....0-0 seems black's best try.
  
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Hi Leon_Trotsky,

Have you considered sending Miedama an e-mail to ask him personally for a bit more information on what he believes is wrong with 7...0-0?

He seems like a nice guy. If you introduce yourself as a fellow Winawer enthusiast, you may get a good answer.  Smiley
  

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I received copy of this book this morning.

On explaining why he prefers 7. Dg4 Dc7 to 7...cxd4 is he says on page 145 that 8. Ad3 Da5 9. Ce2 0-0 10. Ag5 reminds him of the 7...0-0 8. Ad3 Cbc6 9. Ag5 variation, which he gives as "+-"  Shocked Shocked Shocked

I am not an expert on 9. Ag5, but +- ¿ As they say in the Spanish state, ¿En serio, tío?  Cheesy
  
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MW wrote on 03/21/19 at 01:48:47:
The three main tries to date seem to have been 12...d4, 12...Bd7 and 12....b6 but none of these have done that well, so I'll be intrigued to see what the author has come up with...


I am not up to date on the theory of any of the Poisoned Prawn, but Berg had recommended 12...d4 if I remember. What do you mean that it is not doing well ¿ Has theory changed recently ¿

MW wrote on 03/21/19 at 01:48:47:
Leon_Trotsky wrote on 03/20/19 at 23:55:44:
I still think that 7...0-0 is a good choice though


You may be right


I simply cannot believe that 7...0-0 8. Ad3 Cbc6 is "almost refuted". It had some problems in 2014 at first when Negi analysed all three of 13...Ad7, 13...Df7 and Berg's 13...b5 but then the correspondence games of past couple years have shown how Black can play against his 15. Cg5 idea.

13...Df7 seems to always be fine despite the apocalyptic style pessimissm towards Black's position. 13...Ad7 however might have real problems; but the other two I believe not.
  
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 03/20/19 at 23:55:44:
I still think that 7...0-0 is a good choice though


You may be right; to me the Poisoned Pawn variation stands or falls on whether black can get reasonable play against 12 h4.

The three main tries to date seem to have been 12...d4, 12...Bd7 and 12....b6 but none of these have done that well, so I'll be intrigued to see what the author has come up with...

  
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I have been told that the book shall be in stock in Thinkers Publishing Belgium shop by the 22th march this Friday. My guess is probably this week for the European shops (hopefully).

I still think that 7...0-0 is a good choice though  Cheesy
  
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I am still interesting in what lines exactly he thinks of 7...0-0 that caused him to change to Poisoned Pawn.
  
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The excerpt looks very good, as I especially like opening books with a personal flavor.
  
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White has done very well with 7...cxd4 8.Bd3 Qa5 9.Rb1. It has been played in less than 10 games, but there were some pretty strong players involved.
  

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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 03/03/19 at 18:48:40:
But is not the modern move order 7. Dg4 cxd4 take immediately ¿ I found curious that he gives the older 7...Dc7 move order.


I think it is a taste thing.....according to Berg 7...Qxc7 and 7...cxd4 usually transpose, but 7...Qc7 makes the sideline  starting with 8 Bd3 a better option than it is after 7...cxd4.
  
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MW wrote on 03/01/19 at 01:18:58:
According to the Thinkers Publishing website is due on 20 March.....


I asked a De Beste Zet and was told that between 12.03-14.03 it would probably be available for purchase. So in other words sometime next week  Grin

MW wrote on 03/01/19 at 01:18:58:
IMO 12h4 is the big test for the Poison Pawn so it will be really interesting to see how the author deals with this...16 pages have been used to cover this line.


12. h4 d4 and after craziness both sides force perpetuals, no ¿  Cheesy

MW wrote on 03/01/19 at 01:18:58:
According to the Thinkers Publishing website is due on 20 March.....

IMO 12h4 is the big test for the Poison Pawn so it will be really interesting to see how the author deals with this...16 pages have been used to cover this line.

The book is a must have for me. I've been playing the French since I was 15 ....which seems a long time ago now!!


I play 7...0-0 but is must buy for me too since it is nice to have choices after 7. Dg4. There is also 4...b6 and 6...Da5 but that is a different topic  Cool

But is not the modern move order 7. Dg4 cxd4 take immediately ¿ I found curious that he gives the older 7...Dc7 move order.
  
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I always thought that the Poisoned Pawn was riskier..

That's testable!

Poisoned pawn after 10.Ne2 60% (32% draws).
7.Qg4 O-O 8.Bd3 Nbc6 9.Bg5 71% (29% draws).

On a general level your thought seems to be incorrect.
  

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https://www.thinkerspublishing.com/catalogue-webshop-expected-20-03-david-miedem...

On the page there is excerpt. Of page 7 he says that the 7. Dg4 0-0 8. Ad3 Cbc6 is "almost refuted" and that is reason he recommends Poisoned Pawn.  Huh Huh Huh Huh

I completely disagree with that. After months of home analyses I would play that line in any must-win game with confidence. In fact he was one of the main players whose games I looked always to study in the database.

I always thought that the Poisoned Pawn was riskier..

  
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According to the Thinkers Publishing website is due on 20 March.....

IMO 12h4 is the big test for the Poison Pawn so it will be really interesting to see how the author deals with this...16 pages have been used to cover this line.

The book is a must have for me. I've been playing the French since I was 15 ....which seems a long time ago now!!
  
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02/28/19 at 23:24:17
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http://chessbookshop.com/katalog_detail.asp?ant=False&kodknihy=8024&page=1&id=&l...

Not sure if anyone saw this yet, but I was looking on this Czech book store website. Modernised French Defence Volume 1 by Miedema for Thinkers Publishing. 1th volume is entirely on Winawer.

http://chessbookshop.com/katalog_detail.asp?ant=False&kodknihy=8024&image=2&page...

I know for sure that Miedema plays 7. Dg4 0-0 because when I check database to update my lines he always shows up in the search. Not many details about book except is 280 pages.

But he chose Poisoned Pawn with 7...Dc7 Tongue  I prefer 7...0-0 much more but oh well. Should be interesting.
  
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