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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #43 - 12/27/19 at 13:20:54
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I can't say I have the Accelerated in my repertoire, but have looked at it from time to time because I used to answer 1.c4 with ...c5. My main setup used to be the Wedberg/Botvinnik system, which involves ...g6. But a tricky White-player can go for Nf3 and an early d4 and e4, thereby transposing to the Maroczy setups of the Accelerated dragon and that has forced me to look at the lines. My Sicilian repertoire is mainly focused on Kan and Taimanov, although I have been meaning to get started with the Najdorf. But the Accelerated is not any intention, and the discussed line with h3 does nothing to change that...

Yes, I've seen some of those games. The Gurgenidze seems solid, but perhaps not generating too many winning chances for Black. I guess that is a reason for why I haven't considered the Accelerated as my main Sicilian.

Let's see what Bragesjo gets out of playing ...Ng4 in corr Smiley
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #42 - 12/27/19 at 13:11:30
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My feeling is that the Gurgendize with ...a5 and ...a4 is very solid, at least there are strong players (e.g. Iturrizaga) who play this regularly.

The ... Ng4 and ... e5 system looks solid enough, but to me this feels depressing and I would not want to play that way.
Seems like a valid option, though.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #41 - 12/27/19 at 12:48:08
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I don't know if it closes the line, but it does look rather depressing for Black. I can't any good alternatives for Black either after 12. Qc2. The idea of playing h3 to secure Bg4 is an extremely nice concept. It also seems like Thybo liked it as he first lost as Black and after that has reach the position after 12. Qc2 a5 twice.

Perhaps Black can hold after 13. Rad1 a4, as in e.g. Dragnev-Piorun, 2018? Black will have an ugly pawn structure, but maybe there is enough dynamic counterplay against e4 anyway? It looks like White is better, but it seems like Black can hold.

Otherwise, I guess Black should choose the Gurgenidze instead, or is it also "busted" in the same way? Or the system with 7...Ng4 as discussed earlier in this thread?

Yes, I agree, it would be very good to have Chris Ward comment on this.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #40 - 12/27/19 at 12:18:38
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So perhaps this really closes the line for Black?  Sad
This is remarkable, because it is a real main line with more than 10.000 games!

Perhaps we should make a request to Chris Ward to look at this.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #39 - 12/27/19 at 10:39:27
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/27/19 at 10:13:43:
Thanks again!
One last question: is the new h3-line covered in the Maroczy Main line?

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cd4: 4.Nd4: Bg7 5.c4 Nc6 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Be2 d6 9.0-0 Bd7 10.h3!

if I didn't overlook it there was nothing about this in the first edition, and this is indeed very unpleasant, for me a reason not to play this system.


Not that I can see, unless I overlooked something. Btw, I can't find it commented on here in the games at Chesspublishing either.

I should say I haven't really followed the development in the Accelerated, but I just checked the statistics in this line after. 10...Nxd4 11. Bxd4 Bc6 12. Qc2 a5 and I found 27 games where White have been rated 2500 or higher. 21 wins and 6 draws is pretty remarkable!

EDIT: However, I found that the line is Bonus game 3 in The Sicilian Accelerated Dragon: 20th Anniversary Edition. But there is not much analysis (or advice for Black), though.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #38 - 12/27/19 at 10:13:43
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Thanks again!
One last question: is the new h3-line covered in the Maroczy Main line?

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cd4: 4.Nd4: Bg7 5.c4 Nc6 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Be2 d6 9.0-0 Bd7 10.h3!

if I didn't overlook it there was nothing about this in the first edition, and this is indeed very unpleasant, for me a reason not to play this system.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #37 - 12/26/19 at 23:14:30
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/26/19 at 20:34:07:
@XChess1971:
Thank you for the information!

Is there a separate chapter with updates, or is the structure identical, just with the new games/lines inserted?

The second approach is of course most common, but in recent times I have seen examples of the first one.


Well besides the theory there is an additional with new games. That's what it looks. Even more games besides the mentioned by me.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #36 - 12/26/19 at 20:34:07
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@XChess1971:
Thank you for the information!

Is there a separate chapter with updates, or is the structure identical, just with the new games/lines inserted?

The second approach is of course most common, but in recent times I have seen examples of the first one.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #35 - 12/26/19 at 02:31:59
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/25/19 at 13:10:26:
@XChess1971: it sounds like you have both the first and the second edition?
Can you elaborate on the differences?
I bought the first edition and about a year later the second one came out, and I remain to be convinced to spend the same amount of money for more or less the same book...


Raja has improved on his 7...Ng4 (in the Maroczy) even with new games from himself a draw against Pichot in Montevideo 2018. Also a draw between Andersen and Demuth, Berlin 2018.
Bruzon Batista - Edouard, Saint Louis 2018 shows 7...Ng4 as well.
On the 5.Nc3 line the game Wei Yi - Shankland, Liaocheng 2018 shows his own way of dealing with that system.
The game Zherebukh-Edouard, Saint Louis 2018 shows the Maroczy classical with 9..Bd7 10.Nb3  and talks about a self-improvement of Raja (In regards to his previous book) that was missed by Edouard.

Well I can say that it shows a lot of new material and different new ideas and improvements. Whether you want to spend or not is a decision you must make. But to me it looks like an updated work with new games.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #34 - 12/25/19 at 19:50:10
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I have the first edition too. Very good book, but I don't like the g6 Alapin and the delayed c3 (after 2.Nf3 by white); not the options given by Raja, but the lines itselves.

In the Maroczy, I usually go for the main Bd7 lines, hoping not to see 10.h3 by White (I was lucky till now, I wish myself lucky about that for 2020  Wink).

As I said, great work by Mr Panjwani.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #33 - 12/25/19 at 13:10:26
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@XChess1971: it sounds like you have both the first and the second edition?
Can you elaborate on the differences?
I bought the first edition and about a year later the second one came out, and I remain to be convinced to spend the same amount of money for more or less the same book...
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #32 - 12/24/19 at 21:51:58
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bragesjo wrote on 12/24/19 at 13:16:16:
XChess1971 wrote on 12/24/19 at 01:03:30:
I just received a copy of The Hyper Accelerated Dragon 2nd edition. And the only thing I can say about it is that Raja is a real expert on the system. Not only because of all the analysis that he has shown in his book. Whether he has used or not computers. He clearly explains the different concepts of the arising positions.
This is a book that is worth $$$$. I have never seen a better book on the Hyper Accelerated Dragon than this one. It looks to me that it is even better than the 1st edition.
One of the parts that has impressed me is {Chapter: 7.Bc4 My System}. He also adopts Taimanov ideas and leaves the pawn on d7 combined with ...h5 (Soltis) against h4. Also shows how to deal in case of g4 or Kb1 (instead of h4).


I agree that is is s good book.
I will use this book as primary source when the Correspondence event starts even through my intention is to transpose to Bc4 Yugoslav since I still knows the positions by heart. I have not really browsed through the Bc4 chapter yet.

He also advocatees the Ng4 line vs marozy that I mentiod before and also an additional system as well. The  book also covers c3 Sicilian,  Morra Gambit and delayed c3.


I kind of new the position with ...g6 against Alapin. Dzindzinchashvili talked about it years ago in his Chess Opening Repertoire for Black. I do not remember if previous books from Carsten Hansen mention that because I don't have them with me now. But I had seen it again in his latest book.
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #31 - 12/24/19 at 13:16:16
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XChess1971 wrote on 12/24/19 at 01:03:30:
I just received a copy of The Hyper Accelerated Dragon 2nd edition. And the only thing I can say about it is that Raja is a real expert on the system. Not only because of all the analysis that he has shown in his book. Whether he has used or not computers. He clearly explains the different concepts of the arising positions.
This is a book that is worth $$$$. I have never seen a better book on the Hyper Accelerated Dragon than this one. It looks to me that it is even better than the 1st edition.
One of the parts that has impressed me is {Chapter: 7.Bc4 My System}. He also adopts Taimanov ideas and leaves the pawn on d7 combined with ...h5 (Soltis) against h4. Also shows how to deal in case of g4 or Kb1 (instead of h4).


I agree that is is s good book.
I will use this book as primary source when the Correspondence event starts even through my intention is to transpose to Bc4 Yugoslav since I still knows the positions by heart. I have not really browsed through the Bc4 chapter yet.

He also advocatees the Ng4 line vs marozy that I mentiod before and also an additional system as well. The  book also covers c3 Sicilian,  Morra Gambit and delayed c3.
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #30 - 12/24/19 at 01:03:30
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I just received a copy of The Hyper Accelerated Dragon 2nd edition. And the only thing I can say about it is that Raja is a real expert on the system. Not only because of all the analysis that he has shown in his book. Whether he has used or not computers. He clearly explains the different concepts of the arising positions.
This is a book that is worth $$$$. I have never seen a better book on the Hyper Accelerated Dragon than this one. It looks to me that it is even better than the 1st edition.
One of the parts that has impressed me is {Chapter: 7.Bc4 My System}. He also adopts Taimanov ideas and leaves the pawn on d7 combined with ...h5 (Soltis) against h4. Also shows how to deal in case of g4 or Kb1 (instead of h4).
  
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Re: New accelerated Dragon books
Reply #29 - 12/18/19 at 15:13:44
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bragesjo wrote on 12/18/19 at 09:02:04:
mn wrote on 12/16/19 at 00:12:39:
I'm curious what that line is if you're willing to share https://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif


The tournament was supposed to have started some days ago now it "Starts when filled". The are enough players for two groups but its uneven numbers of players.

The line I intend to play as black was (no board at moment, maybee I made some tyops).


1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bg7 5. c4 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7 Nc3 Ng4 8 Qxg4 Nxd4 9 Qd1 e5.

Objectiv i I think white is slightly better but there has been new recent development where black delays castling and plays d6 and Be6 first.

EDIT The old school refutation from the 90:s,  10 Nb5 is for example met by d6


Well if you think it is worth it. Give it a shot! It is even harder to play in correspondence than OTB.
  
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