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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #38 - 07/17/21 at 00:30:52
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Bibs wrote on 07/16/21 at 22:17:11:
The 1.e4 e5 line is just very equal due to the Qd7 move.

Agreed. Nor does white have an advantage after 8...Qh5. Probably the long-time main move 8...Qa5 is also equal.

I concluded that the anti-Max Lange variation was equal decades ago. That does not stop people from winning or losing with the line in casual play. After 12Nxd4 Bd7, Fishbein continues with 13Nc3 or 13Nb5. Baker and Burgess examine 13Nc3, 13Nb3, and 13Re3. A startling move is 13.Qh5. I don't see anything wrong with 13c3.

Just because the game is equal, that does not mean that the game must come to an end. Familiarity with the line, combined with the likelihood that you will actually see the line you prepared, are also important considerations, especially in casual play. By all means though, everyone (but me) should just ignore this innocuous line.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #37 - 07/16/21 at 22:17:11
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I very much agree with Stigma here.

The 1.e4 e5 line is just very equal due to the Qd7 move. A move to another line here would have been helpful.

The French Nc3 and Nf3 lines are reasonable enough, but I would have liked to see an alternative. Maybe 4.a3, 4.Qd3, 4.Nge2 v Winawer. Or the exchange, per Seth.

The Qxd4 lines, again, hmmmm.

A decent book certainly, and useful to have a look through for possible weapons. But I also would have liked it updated in having some lines changed.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #36 - 07/16/21 at 08:38:47
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Marcellus wrote on 07/14/21 at 03:02:24:
I look forward to buying the ebook as soon as it's available? ETA?
And can you list the lines, other than 4...Qh4 in the Scotch?


ETA: dunno

some of the lines:
— 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Bc4 f5
— 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 f5
— 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 h5
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Bc5
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4 Qh4
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d4 exd4 5 e5 Ng4
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d3 d5
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 b5
— 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 f5 4 Nc3 fxe4 5 Nxe4 d5

please don't try and refute them before I've published Wink
  

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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #35 - 07/14/21 at 03:02:24
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I look forward to buying the ebook as soon as it's available? ETA?
And can you list the lines, other than 4...Qh4 in the Scotch?
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #34 - 07/08/21 at 06:28:13
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 05/17/21 at 08:17:52:
[quote author=515D4E5763564C630A057C545348515D55503C0 link=1556723191/26#26 date=1570113567]Jonathan Tait has said in the Kings Gambit thread that he is working on a book about disreputable openings for black (1.e4 e5).


all done and sent off Smiley
  

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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #33 - 05/17/21 at 08:17:52
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RoleyPoley wrote on 10/03/19 at 14:39:27:
Jonathan Tait has said in the Kings Gambit thread that he is working on a book about disreputable openings for black (1.e4 e5).


Eight chapters finished Smiley
  

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Reply #32 - 01/25/20 at 23:03:12
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According to the new introduction the overall recommendations are the same but new lines have been added, corrections have been made etc. Against the Alekhine they suggest 2.Nc3 which allows many transpositions and the independent 2. ...d5 which they cover.

I think if you like the repertoire presented in the 1st edition you should buy the electronic version of this one in the Chess Studio app. Assuming you have a tablet.
  
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Reply #31 - 01/14/20 at 09:49:13
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How big are updates? Some new critical lines, or cosmetic changes? I have 1st edition, is 2nd better and worth buying? What they recommand against Alekhine?
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #30 - 10/13/19 at 00:47:06
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The Petroff has a ton of theory and is very rarely played in amateur level. The book recommendation is a gambit to end the game quickly, win or lose! You can just ignore it and play normal developing moves if you don't want to gambit. I don't think White is under any pressure.

You can take a look at chess365 to see what generally works and what doesn't from 2. ...Nf6 onwards.

If you want a master level repertoire that pushes for the advantage in all lines then I repeat my Schandorff recommendation, the newer Playing d4 series, don't be confused by his older books. But I believe the Startling repertoire results in more tactical games and will help an amateur improve faster and have more fun. We can always learn more involved theory later, when we are stronger in tactics and endgames.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #29 - 10/12/19 at 08:42:27
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grandpatzer wrote on 09/29/19 at 13:40:07:
You need two books to try to cover White side solidly. Now with this book you may have to switch some parts out as you see fit.


Understood. I read that the "crazy" Nxf7 vs the Petroff was chosen because the authors didn't find anything good in their opinion to challenge this solid defense. I don't particularly like it because it gives some "coffee-house" flavour to the repertoire, and White is suddenly trying to prove that he has to win, or either lose miserably, where vs. other lines (in the book, I mean) I play very quietly and with no hurry, i.e. vs the Sicilian there is nothing risky but White generally aims for a safe plus. Just my 2 cents of course.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #28 - 10/12/19 at 01:40:15
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grandpatzer wrote on 09/29/19 at 13:40:07:
I love this book, but it’s also very unusual IMHO, because it is advocating some very risky lines, i.e. Nxf7 Vs
the Petroff, or Max Lange Attack & Koltanowski Variation vs 1...e5, yet vs the Alekhine defense it is suggesting a line in which White basically plays for a little positional advantage, without risking anything in the opening. What do you think?

I think this is because it is a White repertoire in one book and needs to cut corners, especially in openings that are rarer in amateur play, like the Petroff.

You need two books to try to cover White side solidly. Now with this book you may have to switch some parts out as you see fit.
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #27 - 10/03/19 at 20:08:50
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RoleyPoley wrote on 10/03/19 at 14:39:27:
grandpatzer wrote on 10/02/19 at 14:35:24:
I often wonder what lines would be suggested in "A Startling Opening Repertoire for Black". I hope so, but honestly I don't think we'll ever see it....

Jonathan Tait has said in the Kings Gambit thread that he is working on a book about disreputable openings for black (1.e4 e5).

I guess, the Alterman gambit guide books and the one by Moret are attempts to provide the same sort of repertoires.



Sure, and there is also the excellent "Unconventional Approaches to Modern Chess, Volume 1: Rare Ideas for Black" by A. ipatov. Yet, I'd be curious to know what Baker and Burgess would suggest as Black, in case such a book will ever be published...  Cool
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
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grandpatzer wrote on 10/02/19 at 14:35:24:
I often wonder what lines would be suggested in "A Startling Opening Repertoire for Black". I hope so, but honestly I don't think we'll ever see it....

Jonathan Tait has said in the Kings Gambit thread that he is working on a book about disreputable openings for black (1.e4 e5).

I guess, the Alterman gambit guide books and the one by Moret are attempts to provide the same sort of repertoires.

  

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I often wonder what lines would be suggested in "A Startling Opening Repertoire for Black". I hope so, but honestly I don't think we'll ever see it....
  
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Re: Startling Opening Repertoire - New Edition
Reply #24 - 09/29/19 at 13:40:07
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I love this book, but it’s also very unusual IMHO, because it is advocating some very risky lines, i.e. Nxf7 Vs
the Petroff, or Max Lange Attack & Koltanowski Variation vs 1...e5, yet vs the Alekhine defense it is suggesting a line in which White basically plays for a little positional advantage, without risking anything in the opening. What do you think?
  
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