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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #37 - 01/19/20 at 21:19:16
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Somehow I forgot to mention that ChessPublishing provides pgn and CBV files to subscribers. All past files are easily available to Gold Plus subscribers. They are readily imported to ChessBase, Chess Opening Wizard, etc. It's a great resource!
  
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Reply #36 - 01/19/20 at 18:28:55
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I've bought Everyman E-book collections. I prefer electronic products to physical books. Some are new titles at full price. Some are bundles that I consider to be a very good value.

You may have to give thought to electronic formats. Kindle and EPub. Both open on the screen as electronic books. I reduce the size of the window so they take up half of my computer screen.

CBV files open great in ChessBase. ChessBase Reader is free, so you can play through the games. Full functionality will cost you. With ChessBase you can play through the game, play alternative lines, have Fritz analyze for you, save analysis, and add your own comments. Definitely a first class approach, but pricey.

PGN files can be read into Chess Opening Wizard and Chess Assistant for starters. Unfortunately I've found Everyman generated PGN file import to be imperfect.

Modern-Chess.com (MC) has PGN files that read in perfectly, so PGN per se is not the problem. My favorite solution is to read MC pgn files into Chess Opening Wizard. This is another first first-class approach. MC charges regular book prices for their electronic products.

Again, you can get a really great value for electronic products from Everyman Chess. Kindle and Epub books display well on screen, CBV files are readily read by ChessBase or ChessBase Reader, and you will take your chances with PGN file import. As these are alternative solutions, one or more will work for you.
  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #35 - 11/12/19 at 07:45:28
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RoleyPoley wrote on 11/11/19 at 15:46:46:
I always thought it was John Emms and Byron Jacobs?


John used to be commissioning editor, but he packed it in several years ago. Byron does that now.
  

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Reply #34 - 11/11/19 at 15:46:46
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Bibs wrote on 11/10/19 at 08:11:50:
The ‘recycling’ via doubling up seems intensely cynical. The failure to relabel here looks inept.
Who runs Everyman by the way?


I always thought it was John Emms and Byron Jacobs?
  

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Reply #33 - 11/10/19 at 12:52:52
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 11/10/19 at 08:55:06:
My question is why are they re-combining these old opening books into two (or three) in the first place. I can understand the older books on the middlegame and endgame--it can be a good deal to get a combined titles book that way.

But the theoretical opening books from 2000-2005 or whatever and combining them just make little sense to me.


It is a way to try to shift dead old stock, one presumes.
It’s a nasty way to do it though and gives the impression that they simply regard customers as mugs to be ripped off.
Just...not very nice at all.
  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #32 - 11/10/19 at 08:55:06
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My question is why are they re-combining these old opening books into two (or three) in the first place. I can understand the older books on the middlegame and endgame--it can be a good deal to get a combined titles book that way.

But the theoretical opening books from 2000-2005 or whatever and combining them just make little sense to me.
  
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Reply #31 - 11/10/19 at 08:11:50
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The ‘recycling’ via doubling up seems intensely cynical. The failure to relabel here looks inept.
Who runs Everyman by the way?

With other chess publishers one does get the impression of people trying. QC is clearly ambitious and pushes the envelope. Some great stuff there since Marin then Avrukh changed the paradigm. Chess Stars is having a good go too - I like their pedagogy. Thinkers have come up with some horrid formatting but are spirited and improving. Everyman - I liked the ‘Dangerous Weapons’ series. But down the pan with Lakdawala and the recycling, ugh.
  
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Reply #30 - 11/09/19 at 09:52:35
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It tells you something about Everyman's standards that they didn't manage to correct the mistake even when Jonathan drew their attention to it.

I note also that they have recycled the original blurbs, including a reference to "bringing the reader up to date with the expanding theory". That's the theory as it stood in 2003.
  
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Reply #29 - 11/09/19 at 00:19:44
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 05/06/19 at 08:09:34:
Stigma wrote on 05/04/19 at 16:10:09:
Surely they meant to pair the Italian/Evans book with the Two Knights' book? Mixing the Four Knights in there doesn't make much sense.


Yes, it's clearly a mistake. I've emailed them about it.

As for bundling up old stock: it's just a way of selling it, isn't it, which seems fair enough to me. But given that's the case, there's no point to this thread really.

So according to both Amazon and the Everyman site this bundle is published, and it's still the Italian/Evans and the Four Knights combined under the title "A Complete Guide to 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4".

I guess it's too late for Everyman to correct their mistake now that it's been printed, but it does look a bit silly.
  

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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #28 - 05/14/19 at 23:42:59
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kylemeister wrote on 05/14/19 at 15:34:15:
[quote author=7B7E787F74747F6E2C2B1A0 link=1556976158/18#18 date=1557843291]I have played 3...d6 a lot, both via the Italian and more often via the Philidor (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nc6), with rather good results. The only way to punish it is by playing sharply 4.d4! exd4 5.c3!. Just about nobody does that, though.


I ran into this recently. My response was 5. .. dxc3 6. 0-0 and now 6. .. Be7 is an error (6. .. Nf6 should be played). After 7. Qb3 Na5 8. Bxf7 Kf8 9. Qxc3 Kxf7 10 Qxa5 White is quite a lot better.



  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #27 - 05/14/19 at 21:33:26
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 05/14/19 at 19:27:33:
grandpatzer wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:43:09:
I thought that 4.c3 was the only "refutation" of 3...d6.
Not even close, 4.c3 g6 5.d4 Qe7 and white is a bit better (see next comment), but black's position is very playable.

mn wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:51:50:
Isn't 4 d4 exd4 5 Nxd4 a bit better for White?
Agreed, and there are other ways for white to be a bit better. But shouldn't white strive for more against an "inferior" move like 3...d6 ...? Now 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 g6 gives black a very reasonable Philidor-type position, instead of the critical Be3 Qd2 O-O-O line. Still, if you like this for white, check out Barsky (2009) Scotch Game for White. After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 g6 he advocates 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bc4 Bg7 7.O-O, which amounts to the same thing.


Well, it's inferior in that +/= is more than White would theoretically achieve against 3...Bc5  Smiley

Shaw's book also advocates the same continuation via the Scotch Game, btw.
  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #26 - 05/14/19 at 21:15:28
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I think that 3...g6 as played by Memmedjarow deserves more attention. Essentially is Smyslov Ruy López against 3. Ac4  Cheesy
  
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Reply #25 - 05/14/19 at 19:40:45
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grandpatzer wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:43:09:
And, on another note, a little book on the rather annoying 3...d6 defence to 3.Bc4 would be very interesting!

"Winning with that 3...d6 thing with which Alekhine won a nice simul game."  Okay, I guess it needs work.
  
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Reply #24 - 05/14/19 at 19:27:33
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grandpatzer wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:43:09:
I thought that 4.c3 was the only "refutation" of 3...d6.
Not even close, 4.c3 g6 5.d4 Qe7 and white is a bit better (see next comment), but black's position is very playable.

mn wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:51:50:
Isn't 4 d4 exd4 5 Nxd4 a bit better for White?
Agreed, and there are other ways for white to be a bit better. But shouldn't white strive for more against an "inferior" move like 3...d6 ...? Now 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 g6 gives black a very reasonable Philidor-type position, instead of the critical Be3 Qd2 O-O-O line. Still, if you like this for white, check out Barsky (2009) Scotch Game for White. After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 g6 he advocates 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bc4 Bg7 7.O-O, which amounts to the same thing.
  
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 05/14/19 at 18:12:23:
kylemeister, what old 6...Nf6 line are you referring to?

7. Qb3 Qd7 8. Ng5 Ne5 9. Bb5 c6 10. f4 and now ...cb or ...Neg4.  Speaking of old Göring Gambit sources, one thing I have which addresses this is a fifty-year-old pamphlet by David Levy.  Some books since then have had such evaluations as equal or unclear.
  
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Reply #22 - 05/14/19 at 18:51:50
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Isn't 4 d4 exd4 5 Nxd4 a bit better for White?
  
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Reply #21 - 05/14/19 at 18:43:09
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I thought that 4.c3 was the only "refutation" of 3...d6. And, on another note, a little book on the rather annoying 3...d6 defence to 3.Bc4 would be very interesting!
  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #20 - 05/14/19 at 18:12:23
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RE: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 d6 5.c3 dxc3 6.Nxc3 Nf6
(or 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4, or 3.Bc4, or indeed 2...d6).

I dunno about these days. I haven't looked at it carefully in ages. If it is no longer considered better for white, I didn't get the memo. But this "better" is a slippery word. It wasn't that white was getting a clear advantage theoretically, it was more like sufficient compensation, therefore a little dangerous for black. Many of my old Goering Gambit sources gave +=, but may have been biased towards white.
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Hang on, I shouldn't be replying blindfold while at work. 6...Nf6 is right out, black has to play 6...Be6, and that's the line which is "sufficient compensation", possibly +=.

kylemeister, what old 6...Nf6 line are you referring to?
  
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Reply #19 - 05/14/19 at 15:34:15
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 05/14/19 at 14:14:51:
I have played 3...d6 a lot, both via the Italian and more often via the Philidor (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nc6), with rather good results. The only way to punish it is by playing sharply 4.d4! exd4 5.c3!. Just about nobody does that, though.

What, is the old line (by transposition) 5...dc 6. Nxc3 Nf6 supposed to be better for White these days?
  
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Reply #18 - 05/14/19 at 14:14:51
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Delchev also covers the move order 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4. From the pdf sample http://www.chess-stars.com/resources/Bc4_contents.pdf
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My repertoire would not be complete without a rather huge chapter on the Hungarian Defence.

I have played 3...d6 a lot, both via the Italian and more often via the Philidor (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nc6), with rather good results. The only way to punish it is by playing sharply 4.d4! exd4 5.c3!. Just about nobody does that, though.
  
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Reply #17 - 05/14/19 at 12:40:10
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Seeley wrote on 05/14/19 at 09:59:59:
You could try Bc4 Against The Open Games by Alexander Delchev, a Chess Stars book from 2018. This repertoire starts with 2.Bc4 to avoid the Petroff, so there's a bit of extra material to deal with what happens if Black plays ...c6 rather than ...Nc6, but the bulk of the book transposes back into the lines you want to see covered.


Sure, but I'd need some ideas on how to gain advantage vs. the solid 3...Be7 (Hungarian Defence) and the weaker (but often played by amateurs) 3...d6 too. In practice I find it difficult to win games vs. these minor defences.
  
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grandpatzer wrote on 05/14/19 at 09:34:31:
Apart from this mixing of relatively old books, I strongly feel that we need a good, modern,  repertoire book on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 from White's point of view, updated with current lines vs all Black options...

You could try Bc4 Against The Open Games by Alexander Delchev, a Chess Stars book from 2018. This repertoire starts with 2.Bc4 to avoid the Petroff, so there's a bit of extra material to deal with what happens if Black plays ...c6 rather than ...Nc6, but the bulk of the book transposes back into the lines you want to see covered.
  
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Reply #15 - 05/14/19 at 09:34:31
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Apart from this mixing of relatively old books, I strongly feel that we need a good, modern,  repertoire book on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 from White's point of view, updated with current lines vs all Black options...
  
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RoleyPoley wrote on 05/12/19 at 13:02:58:
I didnt think it was standard practice? (I have no knowledge of the trade so could be completely wrong). Given chess books tend to not to have great selling potential, i thought it was rare that they have multiple print runs - especially as there are usually other books coming out on the same openings soon enough. I think Everyman's idea of repackaging in this way is a great idea - but perhaps a bit too late considering how old these titles are.

I was referring to book publishing in general rather than chess-book publishing specifically. Apologies for not making that clear.

The point you make about it being a bit late for this Everyman release is a pertinent one. Buying, say, the eight Adrian Mole books bundled together for just over £20 is one thing, as their lack of topicality isn't important. Chess theory has moved on a lot since the original Everyman titles were published, though, and I wonder how many people will be interested in buying books that are so far behind the times. It's not entirely clear from the OP's link what format this bundle will be released in. Printing and distribution costs are not insignificant, so this would be a bit of a gamble if Everyman are indeed having new copies printed. If the titles are being bundled together as e-books, however, then the extra costs are negligible, I'd imagine, so there's every reason to give this a go in the hope of generating a few sales.
  
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Reply #13 - 05/12/19 at 13:02:58
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Seeley wrote on 05/12/19 at 00:44:04:
FreeRepublic wrote on 05/11/19 at 23:40:43:
I liked Pinski's work on the Italian game. He has some personality, and some opinions. I enjoyed reading it and playing through some of the games. I suspect he has changed his opinions somewhat in the intervening years. The pianisimo has really taken off. I simply hope this will be a real update and not just a mashing together of past work.

Repackaging old stock in this way and effectively selling it off at a reduced price is standard practice in the trade, so I strongly suspect the publisher has simply bundled together the original editions of the books. If these were updated versions, we'd surely be told so. I have no inside information, though, so I might be wrong in this case.


I didnt think it was standard practice? (I have no knowledge of the trade so could be completely wrong). Given chess books tend to not to have great selling potential, i thought it was rare that they have multiple print runs - especially as there are usually other books coming out on the same openings soon enough. I think Everyman's idea of repackaging in this way is a great idea - but perhaps a bit too late considering how old these titles are.
  

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Reply #12 - 05/12/19 at 03:33:42
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I can confirm the CK+Slav combobook wasn't updated, so this one probably wasn't either. Fair enough I guess.
  
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I liked Pinski's work on the Italian game. He has some personality, and some opinions. I enjoyed reading it and playing through some of the games. I suspect he has changed his opinions somewhat in the intervening years. The pianisimo has really taken off. I simply hope this will be a real update and not just a mashing together of past work.

Repackaging old stock in this way and effectively selling it off at a reduced price is standard practice in the trade, so I strongly suspect the publisher has simply bundled together the original editions of the books. If these were updated versions, we'd surely be told so. I have no inside information, though, so I might be wrong in this case.
  
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I liked Pinski's work on the Italian game. He has some personality, and some opinions. I enjoyed reading it and playing through some of the games. I suspect he has changed his opinions somewhat in the intervening years. The pianisimo has really taken off. I simply hope this will be a real update and not just a mashing together of past work.
  
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Reply #9 - 05/06/19 at 14:39:02
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I also thought Pinski's coverage of the Italian Game was too overly dismissive of White's prospects, and this goes for the closed lines with d2-d3 that have become popular at the top levels recently, as well as the open sidelines with 4.d4, 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 and 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 and 6.0-0.  A very rare critical review of John Elburg's mentioned that after 4.d4 Bxd4 5.Nxd4 Nxd4 he only gave the inferior 6.f4, rather than 6.0-0.
  
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Reply #8 - 05/06/19 at 08:09:34
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Surely they meant to pair the Italian/Evans book with the Two Knights' book? Mixing the Four Knights in there doesn't make much sense.


Yes, it's clearly a mistake. I've emailed them about it.

As for bundling up old stock: it's just a way of selling it, isn't it, which seems fair enough to me. But given that's the case, there's no point to this thread really.
  

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That does seem weird. And the doubled up rehash is a peculiar undertaking in itself.

If anyone from E is reading, I thought the DW series was an excellent idea. More of those please!
Entirely new ones - not just bundled old stock, obviously. Roll Eyes
  
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Stigma wrote on 05/04/19 at 16:10:09:
Surely they meant to pair the Italian/Evans book with the Two Knights' book? Mixing the Four Knights in there doesn't make much sense.

It makes sense for those who defend the Black side of the Italian/Evans (who must also face the Four Knights) but have no interest in playing the Two Knights defense for either color.
  

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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
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Yes, I'm sure they did. But it's sadly typical of Everyman's general sloppiness these days.
  
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Surely they meant to pair the Italian/Evans book with the Two Knights' book? Mixing the Four Knights in there doesn't make much sense.
  

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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
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Ah yes, the republish-two-old-books-as-one thing Everyman is doing these days.
  
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Re: A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Reply #1 - 05/04/19 at 13:36:22
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hmmmmm
  
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A Complete Guide to 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
05/04/19 at 13:22:38
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https://everymanchess.com/products/a-complete-guide-to-1-e4-e5-2-nf3-nc6-3-bc4

Apparently this forthcoming book will consist of Pinski's Italian Game and Evans Gambit and his The Four Knights...  Roll Eyes
  
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