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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #9 - 05/30/19 at 02:42:00
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Statistically and by performance-rating 1.c3 was my most successful opening, just one annoying loss (from a +/- position) and the rest wins in about a dozen games. I beat a couple of NMs and a couple of experts in there, the others were club players of varying standard.

My rationale for giving up offbeat openings was different: I needed to have openings that would hold up against IMs and GMs. But IMs and GMs are ready for anything solid I might try, so I also needed experience in those openings. And the way to get the necessary experience was by playing the same openings against the club players.
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #8 - 05/30/19 at 01:04:33
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Not sure why you would want to play something like 1 c3....against even a weaker player. You are likely to beat them anyway so just play from your normal repertoire and similarly against players of equal strength or stronger isn't better to be in a position you know and understand rather than something off beat that you have to work out as you go...?

Might be OK for Carlsen to play off beat stuff but he is stronger than most GM's and has a team of analysts to do the work for him?
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #7 - 05/16/19 at 22:22:39
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There are books on unpopular, supposedly bad openings, like 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c5 by Azeri GM Сергей Каспаров. Yet I read somewhere that a couple elite GM analyse that opening seriously, at least for rapid game.

1. c3 and what look like rubbish could work in rapid, if feeling brave maybe even a classical game. If Carlsen plays North Sea Defence, why not ¿  Cheesy
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #6 - 05/16/19 at 22:02:07
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No, I didn't underestimate that. It just so happens that I play neither 3-minute nor 1-minute so-called chess.
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #5 - 05/16/19 at 21:35:06
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Greetings, it seems to me that we are underestimating the fact that both systems are, as stated by the author, for 3-minute chess, or bullet chess. Thus the "shock" value, and the fact that your opponent might think, after your very few "Elshad" moves, that you are a complete beginner, (not to say a complete patzer!) might be a psychological asset. The systems, however unorthodox and anti-theoretical, are certainly playable in bullet and blitz (we're not blundering away any pieces or so...)
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #4 - 05/16/19 at 21:15:35
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For those unaware, the black system book was already discussed here.
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1496934502

@grandpatzer: I might be willing to experiment with the black system, but I'm not interested enough to buy a book on it. Maybe a magazine article of several pages could justify my time, but that's about the limit. As for the white side, I'm pretty negative about reversed systems. Even the King's Indian Attack, which is pretty good (i.e. theoretically equal), is not good enough for me to play more than occasionally.
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #3 - 05/16/19 at 18:49:30
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What is the critique exactly?
Two comments by "God Members" but no substantive criticism, just barbs.
Please give a variation/refutation or describe the problem with the book.  Bad typesetting?  Incorrect diagrams?  I would be curious to know how much time the commenters spent with the book before publishing opinions.
It seems the only "problem" is the concept - i.e., c3 Qa4 and advancing the kingside pawns.
The concept of chess itself can also be criticized as a waste of time with enormous opportunity cost.  But participation in this forum presumes that we are here to discuss the concept, not to ridicule it or to question its right to exist.  I would not go to a chess forum just to call chess stupid and make fun of chessplayers.

It seems to me author wrote the book as a labor of love and a tribute to the nonconformist amateur player Elshad Mamedov.  The author is not trying to be Boris Avrukh.  It is an opening to insult and humiliate drunken rivals at the pub: does the book succeed within those parameters?  Perhaps still not, but tell why.
  

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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #2 - 05/16/19 at 12:56:20
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It baffles me too.
Utter sh**e.
  
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Re: The Elshad System for White
Reply #1 - 05/16/19 at 12:14:19
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God why?
  
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The Elshad System for White
05/16/19 at 11:26:23
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I now see on Forward Chess that The Elshad System for White, by I. Nemtsev (Mongoose Press) was just published this May. I read that the system should consist of the moves 1. c3, 2. Qa4 and a quick advance of the Kingside Pawns. It is in some way a follow-up to the original "Elshad System" book, the one for Black, although the Black system is certainly a bit different (1...c6, 2...d6, 3...Nd7, and then ...h6 and ...g5). What do you think?
  
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