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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #17 - 05/24/19 at 14:36:54
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Is there anything on c6 on move 2 on this DVD? As a club player, when unused to play the colle, I would get that so much. Actually it's probably why I stopped playing it. I really hope he have something against it.
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #16 - 05/23/19 at 14:20:20
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Williams didn't cover 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3 Bg4
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #15 - 05/22/19 at 04:10:58
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I'll just add a bit regarding 3...Bf5 4. Nh4.  When the game Williams uses (Shengelia-Sedina, which continued 4...Bg4 5. Qd3) appeared in Chess Publishing, Richard Palliser had this comment:  "Food for thought for sure, but I’m not sure how much I can recommend imitating Shengelia as, despite his fine win, Black seems to be absolutely fine after 5...c5!."
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #14 - 05/22/19 at 03:05:28
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I do not know very much about the guy. I do know that one of my games where I got destroyed was in one of his opening books  Cheesy

But I have his books on Dutch and French. I have seen some commentary on Gibraltar Open for example. He is the guy who says "Harry h-pawn" and those stuff, so my impression is he really likes attack.

Which I find very rare that he does DWD on Colle. My guess is he will try to attempt kingside attack with the b3 system, by putting knight on e5 and go f4 (¿).

My order of Pavloviç book Modernised Colle is in shipment, so waiting for that one. But then does Pavloviç play Colle unlike Williams ¿

I do not buy DWD as much because they cost as much as paper books. Would need more detail though, inhalte does not show too much, so I still deciding.
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #13 - 05/21/19 at 11:36:33
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/20/19 at 03:26:43:
I have a few of Williams' books, but not familiar with his DWDs. Anyone have this Colle DWD ¿

I know that he likes to attack a lot, but this opening is not exactly most aggressive  Cheesy


I would be wary about this dvd; Williams does not play it and is not the kind of opening that matches his style of play
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #12 - 05/21/19 at 08:12:22
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 05/21/19 at 02:21:59:
That does seem more interesting than rewersed Meran styled structure with c3-d4-e3. That system looks more like lame Stonewall with f4 missing.

The Colle-K is rather an inferior sideline of the Meran with colours reversed and an extra tempo: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 Bd6 (advocated by IM Walter Shipman).
Worse, as soon as White plays the thematical e3-e4 play becomes a French Rubinstein with a tempo down for White. So I question GM Williams' choice of Colle-O'Hanlon as an illlustrative game; it's hardly typical.
  

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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #11 - 05/21/19 at 04:38:30
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kylemeister wrote on 05/20/19 at 16:56:28:
Regarding 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dc Bxc5 9.e4 for which he uses Koltanowski-Defosse (9...Qc7 10. Qe2 Bd6), one might wonder how much he has to say about 10...h6.  (As a historical bit, it has been almost 30 years since Jeremy Silman opined that that is a complete answer to the Colle, after playing it in a match against Colle specialist IM Doug Root.)

I dug this game out of my personal database.
  

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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #10 - 05/21/19 at 04:06:40
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I thought you made a copy/paste error, missing out on Sidelines 01 and Sidelines 02. But I see it's the same in the ChessBase shop listing. I find it strange that the title is Colle-Koltanowski, the "Instructive Games" are the Colle-Koltanowski, but the "Main Setup" is the Colle Zukertort. Couldn't he find any instructive games with the Zukertort?

By the way, are Colle-Koltanowski and Colle Zukertort the generally accepted names these days? When I learned them, they were simply the Colle and the Zukertort, respectively. Koltanowski himself always referred to the first as simply the Colle System, and I don't recall any games where Edgard Colle played the Zukertort. Please somebody correct me if I have my facts wrong.

Koltanowski, in his book on the Colle and in his own games, advocated 3.g3 against the King's Indian, as both safe and promising. It doesn't bring white the typical kingside chances as in the Colle, but then again neither would 3.e3.
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #9 - 05/21/19 at 02:21:59
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This is a DWD contents from https://shop.chessbase.com/de/products/williams_the_colle_koltanowski_system:


INHALTE

01: Intro [10:23]
02: Typical Ideas in the Colle [23:45]
03: When to play the Colle and when the Torre - Colle vs Torre [07:34]
Instructive Games
01: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 e6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Re1 Re8 9.e4 - Game 1 - Colle,E - O'Hanlon,J [13:28]
02: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.e4 - Game 2 - Georges Koltanowski - Marcel Defosse [15:31]
03: 1.Nf3 c5 2.e3 Nf6 3.d4 d5 4.c3 e6 5.Nbd2 Nc6 6.Bd3 Be7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Ne5 Nd7 9.f4 - Game 3 - Kramnik,V - Vachier Lagrave,M [08:52]
04: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 b6 6.0-0 Bb7 7.Nbd2 Be7 8.b3 - Game 4 - Carlsen,M - Giri,A [08:12]
To navigate to the chapters, use the menu on the left. Databases: Extra Games; Colle Tactics; Colle Repertoire
Main Setup - Colle Zukertort with 5.b3
01: 5...Nc6 6.0-0 cxd4 7.exd4 Bd6 8.Bb2 0-0/Ne4 - The Perfect Attack Game 5 - Geza Maroczy - Joseph Henry Blake [17:52]
02: 5...Bd6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Bb2 Nc6 8.Nbd2 cxd4 - Game 6 - Lazaro Bruzon Batista - Viswanathan Anand [11:44]
03: 5...cxd4 6.exd4 Nc6 7.0-0 Bd6 8.Bb2 Qc7 9.a3 - Black plays e5 Game 7 - Gergely Szabo - Naim Sahitaj [03:35]
04: 5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.Ne5 cxd4 10.exd4 Ba3 - Capablanca's Ba3 Game 8 - Hoi,C - Danielsen,H [13:44]
05: 5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.Ne5 cxd4 10.exd4 Qc7 - Black's best defence Game 9 - Jussupow,A - De Boer,S [06:09]
06: 5...Nc6 6.Bb2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.c4 - White tries c4 - Game 10 - Cabrilo,G - Kovacevic,A [05:21]
07: 5...Nbd7 6.0-0 Be7 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 b6 9.Ne5 Bb7 10.Qf3/f4 - Nbd7 with Ne4 ideas Game 11 - Zsuzsa Polgar - Thi Thanh Huong Mai [08:59]
08: 5...Nbd7 6.Bb2 b6 7.0-0 Bb7 8.Ne5 - Black plays for c4 Game 12 - Artur Yusupov - Peter Scheeren [09:42]
09: 5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 b6/Qc7 - Bxh7 trick Game 13 - Video analysis [04:41]
10: 5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.a3 - Theory of d5 and a3 Game 14 - Video analysis [16:41]
Sidelines
03: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Bg4 3.Ne5 Bf5/Bh5 - Bg4 and Bf5 Game 15 - Hebden,M - Barton,A [08:05]
04: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 - Delayed Bf5 Game 16 - Shengelia,D - Sedina,E [06:13]
05: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e6 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 c5 6.b3 Be7 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 cxd4 9.exd4 - Against the Nimzo setups Game 17 - Cori Tello,J - Filippov,A [13:15]
06: 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 d5 6.b3 Bd6 7.Ne5 0-0 8.Bb2 c5/Qe7/Nbd7- Black delays c5 Game 18 - Krasenkow,M - Yu,S [03:33]
07: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 Nb6 and 4...dxc4/c6 - The Delayed Grunfeld Game 19 - Tikkanen,H - Hammer,J [17:47]
08: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 and 1...Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Bg5/e3 - Other Black setups Game 20 - Kramnik,V - Giri,A [11:00]
09: 1.Nf3 c5 2.e3 Nf6 3.d4 g6 4.d5 - Black play c5 and g6 Game 21 - Kramnik,V - Sjugirov,S [15:18]
Test
01: Test 1 [03:20]
02: Test 2 [01:48]
03: Test 3 [04:38]
04: Test 4 [01:39]
05: Test 5 [02:59]
06: Test 6 [01:17]
07: Test 7 [02:39]
08: Test 8 [02:42]
09: Test 9 [02:08]
10: Test 10 [03:21]
11: Test 11 [06:11]
12: Conclusion [02:09]
Training
In this section you can practice The Colle-Koltanowski with ChessBase tools.
5.b3
Other systems
Tactics: A further database with typical tactics positions from Colle games will sharpen your tactical instinct even more. Colle Tactics
Extra Games: Play through the different games to see how the opening is played in practice. Extra Games
Main Setup 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.b3:
5...Nc6 6.0-0 cxd4 7.exd4 Bd6
5...Bd6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Bb2 Nc6 8.Nbd2 cxd4 9.exd4 b6 10.a3 Bb7
5...cxd4 6.exd4 Nc6 7.0-0 Bd6 8.Bb2 Qc7 9.a3 0-0
5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.Ne5 cxd4 10.exd4 Ba3
5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.Ne5 cxd4 10.exd4 Qc7
5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7
5...Nc6 6.Bb2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.dxc5 Bxc5
5...Nbd7 6.0-0 Be7 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 b6 9.Ne5 Bb7
5...Nbd7 6.Bb2 b6 7.0-0 Bb7
5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 b6
5...Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0
Other Systems
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 c5 6.b3 Be7 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 cxd4 9.exd4 Nc6
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 Bb7 5.0-0 d5 6.b3 Bd6 7.Ne5 0-0 8.Bb2 c5 9.Nd2 Nc6 10.a3 Rc8
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 Nb6
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.c4 c6 5.Nc3 Bg7 6.Be2 0-0
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.e3 g6 4.d5 Bg7 5.Nc3 0-0


So yes, apparently the Zukertort system with b3. That does seem more interesting than rewersed Meran styled structure with c3-d4-e3. That system looks more like lame Stonewall with f4 missing.

Video clip 24 looks like it transposes to QID 4. e3 Variation, but has later a b3 there.

Since he has Torre Attack DWD, surely he prefers that to Colle against Grünfeld/KID. I noticed that in Sedlak book on London System. Volume two of that book he did not recommend London against 1...Cf6 Indian defences, but rather Torre Attack.

I would think though maybe that lines similar to given as in book e3 Poison could be used against Grünfeld/KID.

Maybe can be used with a book I saw once, I think called Zuke or something strange (¿)

Although personally I would prefer Fianchetto against Indian defences  Cool
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #8 - 05/20/19 at 16:56:28
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In the Colle, I notice that against 3...Bf5 he evidently goes with 4. Nh4 (hmmm).

Regarding 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dc Bxc5 9.e4 for which he uses Koltanowski-Defosse (9...Qc7 10. Qe2 Bd6), one might wonder how much he has to say about 10...h6.  (As a historical bit, it has been almost 30 years since Jeremy Silman opined that that is a complete answer to the Colle, after playing it in a match against Colle specialist IM Doug Root.)
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #7 - 05/20/19 at 16:14:15
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Well the Colle DVD as well as one on the Torre by the same author are now up on the ChessBase site. It looks like he wants to suggest the Colle against 1 d4 d5, and the Torre against ...Nf6 with ...e6 or ...g6, etc.

Although, despite the title, it looks like the Colle videos are mostly about the b3 set-ups, not the c3 ones.
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #6 - 05/20/19 at 03:26:43
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I have a few of Williams' books, but not familiar with his DWDs. Anyone have this Colle DWD ¿

I know that he likes to attack a lot, but this opening is not exactly most aggressive  Cheesy
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #5 - 05/19/19 at 22:14:21
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kylemeister wrote on 05/19/19 at 19:50:41:
An old bit of theory which stuck in my memory is 4...e6 5. Bxf5 ef 6. Qd3 Qc8 leading to equality as in a game Alekhine-Euwe.)


He gives 4...e6 in the notes but he doesn't take on f5
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #4 - 05/19/19 at 19:50:41
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I notice that after 3...Bf5 Pavlovic has played 4. Bd3, against which his opponent chose 4...Bg6.  (An old bit of theory which stuck in my memory is 4...e6 5. Bxf5 ef 6. Qd3 Qc8 leading to equality as in a game Alekhine-Euwe.)
  
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Re: Colle DWD by Williams
Reply #3 - 05/19/19 at 18:41:08
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RoleyPoley wrote on 05/19/19 at 11:26:10:
A lot of colle source materials often advocate going into main lines against the slav i think.


Agreed many do, but fortunately not all of them. In his new book GM Pavlovic says after 3....c6 "Now white has a choice between 4 c4, with a direct transposition to the Slav which is OK, or to employ a line I am trying to give more credit".
  
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