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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #14 - 10/06/22 at 21:28:01
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kylemeister wrote on 10/06/22 at 20:40:14:
I see that the ChessBase online database has some 2022 games with 6. dc.


I don't doubt it. I was referring to my quick look for the year 2022 at Chessgames.com.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #13 - 10/06/22 at 20:40:14
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FreeRepublic wrote on 10/06/22 at 17:15:48:
I was surprised that there are no games featuring 6.dxc. This could be due to the small sample size and also because some games came from a move order with an early g3, for example, 1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 e6 4. Nc3 d5 5. cd5 ed5 6. d4.

I see that the ChessBase online database has some 2022 games with 6. dc.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #12 - 10/06/22 at 17:15:48
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I just looked at the games available at ChessGames.com for 2022. The Dubov Tarrasch is currently more popular than the main line and has done well for Black.

I was surprised that there are no games featuring 6.dxc. This could be due to the small sample size and also because some games came from a move order with an early g3, for example, 1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 e6 4. Nc3 d5 5. cd5 ed5 6. d4.

There are probably plusses and minuses to incorporating the Tarrasch into a repertoire vs the English or the Reti. If one can avoid 6.dxc, I would consider that a plus. Of course, that would not address 6.dxc by the standard QDG move order.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #11 - 10/05/22 at 13:47:17
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After 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cd5 ed5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. g3 Nf6 7. Bg2, the standard continuation is 7...Be7 8.0-0 0-0. White's two main choices are 9.dxc and 9.Bg5. After 9.Bg5, I would choose 9...c4. Black could try to avoid the first possibility with the following move order.
7...c4!? 8. O-O Be7
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9. Ne5!?
(9.Bg5 0-0 would reach standard positions. However, 9.b3!? is another way to deviate.)
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now perhaps 11...Bb4 or 11...Bf5.

White is still better but maybe not any more than usual. Black has free play for his pieces.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #10 - 10/05/22 at 00:49:47
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An important sideline:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. dxc5!? d4 7. Na4 Bc5 8. Nc5 Qa5

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I remember that Aagaard and Ntirlis advanced this line. My book is currently someplace else, but I will go over it when I can.  It is also covered well by ChessPublishing, The Tarrasch Move by Move, and Play the Dubov Tarrasch by Quintillano for Modern-Chess.

This line can occur on the way to the Dubov Tarrasch, or on the way to the main line Tarrasch. Consequently it is critical to anyone who plays the Tarrasch (Henning-Schara gambit excepted). My general impression is that White keeps an advantage but it might not amount to much. It probably helps if you can expand the envelop. For example draw a double-rook (4 rooks!) ending a pawn down.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #9 - 09/16/22 at 14:03:56
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GM Renato Quintillano covers this at Modern-Chess, Play the Dubov Tarrasch. The opening begins 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cd5 ed5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. g3 Nf6 7. Bg2 cd4!? 8. Nd4 Bc5!?

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Quintillano addresses several side-lines along the way including 6.dxc5.

Theory and practice in the Tarrasch defense have taken many twists and turns since Spassky used it successfully against Petrosian in their second World Chess Championship match. This may be the latest attempt to rekindle the flame. If it holds up, it could form a significant part of a player's repertoire. I haven't bought the book but did play through one of the critical lines and kept playing beyond the evaluation point, just to see for myself. Black was O.K.

  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #8 - 09/30/19 at 12:11:13
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Jack Hughes wrote on 09/30/19 at 09:51:35:
I wouldn't read too much into Bezgodov endorsing it though - his previous works include books on the 2. a3 Sicilian, the Double Queen's Gambit (1. d4 d5 2. c4 c5) and the Baltic Defence.

Writing a book on an opening is not necessarily equivalent to endorsing it. I have Bezgodov's book on the Double Queen's Gambit, and I'm very happy with it. It's not a black repertoire book at all -- it has original suggestions, wide coverage of transpositions, as well as objective assessments of the critical lines (+= verging on +/-). If indeed Bezgodov is endorsing this ...cxd4 line, I would give that as much weight as any other GM's opinion.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #7 - 09/30/19 at 11:58:46
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tp2205 wrote on 09/29/19 at 01:02:13:
It should be out early next week.

Just recieved an email, saying it is out now.
  

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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #6 - 09/30/19 at 09:51:35
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I haven't looked at this line enough to assess its soundness, although with Dubov playing it four times and now L'ami endorsing it one would expect it to hold up pretty well. I wouldn't read too much into Bezgodov endorsing it though - his previous works include books on the 2. a3 Sicilian, the Double Queen's Gambit (1. d4 d5 2. c4 c5) and the Baltic Defence.
I'd also caution against viewing it as a theory saver. White can (and really should) avoid this line against the classical move order (1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5) by playing 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. dxc5, where black has been getting pummeled ever since the release of the Aagaard and Ntirlis book; while in the Catalan move order (1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 c5) white typically castles before playing Nc3, meaning that the early ...cxd4 doesn't work. If you look at Dubov's games with it you'll see that they all arise from an English Opening (e.g. 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Nf3 d5). The other thing about this line from the perspective of time saving is that it's supposed to lead to very forcing, concrete play - that's how Dubov was able to blitz out so many moves against Nakamura - and so if you haven't done a good deal of memorisation I'd imagine that a well prepared opponent could claim an easy point against you.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #5 - 09/29/19 at 01:02:13
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It should be out early next week.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #4 - 09/27/19 at 22:32:38
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Bibs wrote on 09/27/19 at 22:15:16:
JFugre wrote on 09/27/19 at 11:58:35:
Looks like Erwin l'Ami is about to publish a repertoire on Chessable about it.


@JFugre
That looks very interesting. I looked around and couldn’t see though.
Some helpful inside knowledge there? Smiley
Do you know when this may be available? Is there a release date set for this?
Thanks!


Chessable dont usually give specific release dates. They have a list of things due to come out in the current month, and a list of things confirmed as coming out soon.

The list below gives L'Ami's 'book' as due for release this month, so it should appear within the next few days as all the other titles due out in September have been released (i got an email about the Weterchek book today and several others yesterday).

https://www.chessable.com/discussion/thread/58883/official-chessable-publishing-...
  

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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #3 - 09/27/19 at 22:15:16
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JFugre wrote on 09/27/19 at 11:58:35:
Looks like Erwin l'Ami is about to publish a repertoire on Chessable about it.


@JFugre
That looks very interesting. I looked around and couldn’t see though.
Some helpful inside knowledge there? Smiley
Do you know when this may be available? Is there a release date set for this?
Thanks!
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #2 - 09/27/19 at 11:58:35
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Looks like Erwin l'Ami is about to publish a repertoire on Chessable about it.
  
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Re: Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
Reply #1 - 05/23/19 at 20:03:11
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https://en.chessbase.com/post/moscow-grand-prix-2019-r2-d1

I don't know, but in Bezgodov's Tarrasch book of about a year and a half ago, that (7...cd 8. Nxd4 Bc5) was claimed to be one of several "bad" lines that are actually good.
  
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Dubov's 7...cxd Tarrasch
05/23/19 at 19:38:25
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What did you all think about his approach against Nakamura in the gran prix?  I have a soft spot for the Tarrasch and this would certainly cut down on theory since it deviates relatively early from the main lines.

*I can't post a link before 15th message, but chessbase has a writeup of the game if you search Moscow GP drawing is better than losing.
  
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