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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
Reply #46 - 01/18/20 at 23:48:21
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Looks like a very thorough work by GM Kotronias, however White has excellent results after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.dxc5. I see this in the table of contents is addressed by variation M4b6 in part IIIa, however I don't own the book.

Would love to hear anything on how Kotronias handles the above line. White scores exceptionally well in my database, both at the Grandmaster level but also at the amateur level.
  
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Reply #45 - 12/31/19 at 14:45:05
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Maybe I will write a more detailed kind of “review“ (strong word as I am just an amateur) when I got more time on my hands.. but for now I would strongly argue
that this should be the new reference book for every Tarrasch player for the next time to come
  
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Reply #44 - 12/31/19 at 14:35:29
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The book arrived today and from checking some variations of interest to me I would say it is indeed very good quality !

- 6.dxc5 is nicely covered, Kotronias giving more than one satisfying solution

- 9..c4 with 10.Ne5 Be6 11.b3 Qa5!? also looks very sound and he managed to kind of repair it for me as the line advocated by Schandorff (or at least the line starting with Qd2-Rfd1) is no problem for black. I am just a bit sad that he did not mentioned the recommendation of l'Ami with 11..h6! which is still my favourite.

- 3.Nf3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5! Is given proper respect. 



  
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Reply #43 - 12/01/19 at 19:51:52
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No - he goes with 9. ... c4. Three pages included on 9. ... cxd4, though.
  
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Does he cover the now popular Dubow line in the book.
  
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Reply #41 - 12/01/19 at 15:07:51
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It'll probably be in January if I can make the print deadline.

On first read, including ~30 pages of line by line, move by move checking, it's incredibly detailed, full of new ideas and dense explanation. Were this a QC book, it'd easily be two volumes.

The biggest problem is layout. There are no indications in the header or footer as to chapter or variation, and the text uses the old nested alphabetical style of presentation. It can get hard to remember where you are, or where the line you're interested in starts.
  
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Reply #40 - 11/30/19 at 21:54:33
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proustiskeen wrote on 11/29/19 at 19:46:35:
Just got my paper review copy from the publisher.

Excellent news! will you be reviewing it for your next column? Is there a rule of thumb on how soon after review copies are recieved that books get published (if not already?)
  

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Just got my paper review copy from the publisher.
  
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Reply #38 - 11/22/19 at 22:42:35
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fling wrote on 11/22/19 at 21:30:01:

oooh...I might pick it up on forward chess instead....
  

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Reply #36 - 11/21/19 at 09:46:16
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Tauromachie wrote on 11/20/19 at 23:34:08:
Is there some update regarding the publication date ? My amazon order still mentions that it should be delivered roundabout this weekend (23/24th of november) but it was not shipped yet according to amazon.. Is it true that it will be delayed ? Sad


Like I said, I tend not to trust Amazon's publication predictions...


More often than not they are correct, and are worth following as a guide. However, they rely on publishers to supply them with the products and the correct dates of publication, so they are not always going to be right 100%
  

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Reply #35 - 11/21/19 at 09:43:00
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Tauromachie wrote on 11/20/19 at 23:34:08:
Is there some update regarding the publication date ? My amazon order still mentions that it should be delivered roundabout this weekend (23/24th of november) but it was not shipped yet according to amazon.. Is it true that it will be delayed ? Sad

My order is showing as arriving 10 Dec 2019 - 16 Jan 2020.

Amazon shipping can be quite fast so you might get an update today or tomorrow confirming it's posting.
  

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Tauromachie wrote on 11/20/19 at 23:34:08:
Is there some update regarding the publication date ? My amazon order still mentions that it should be delivered roundabout this weekend (23/24th of november) but it was not shipped yet according to amazon.. Is it true that it will be delayed ? Sad


Like I said, I tend not to trust Amazon's publication predictions...
  
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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
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Is there some update regarding the publication date ? My amazon order still mentions that it should be delivered roundabout this weekend (23/24th of november) but it was not shipped yet according to amazon.. Is it true that it will be delayed ? Sad
  
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Reply #32 - 11/12/19 at 22:37:57
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IM_Serious wrote on 11/12/19 at 09:36:49:
At the bottom of the page, there is a telephone number !

Fight 1.d4 with the Tarrasch! A Complete Black Repertoire vs. 1.d4


Call long-distance to find out when the book shall be published, because they ignored my e-mails?

Certainly some better customer service would be the solution here.

Or they could just put the projected publication date on the book webpage.
  
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 11/12/19 at 02:09:17:
... they just ignored my e-mails.

At the bottom of the page, there is a telephone number !

Fight 1.d4 with the Tarrasch! A Complete Black Repertoire vs. 1.d4
  
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Reply #30 - 11/12/19 at 02:09:17
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In any case, after about a month I still have no reply to my e-mail about when this book is actually published at Russell Enterprises publishing house.

A few months ago I had e-mailed them about another book and no reply, so I expect that they just ignored my e-mails.
  
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A bit far from 8 November.
  
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Reply #28 - 11/09/19 at 11:48:54
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Got an email this morning from Amazon saying that they think they will now have it in stock between December 10 2019 - January 16 2020
  

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Reply #27 - 11/08/19 at 22:07:56
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 11/08/19 at 20:47:45:
RoleyPoley wrote on 11/08/19 at 11:47:21:
Had an email this morning saying they havent got it in stock yet... Sad


I would not trust Amazon's prediction dates. I remember in 2009 summer I pre-ordered Awrukh's GM2. It was not released until February 2010...

Sure. But the release dates are based on what the publishers tell them - and so usually they give a good idea as to when a title is likely to become available.

For example, last week Amazon notified me of Everyman's changing the publication date of their new book on the Modern Benoni
  

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RoleyPoley wrote on 11/08/19 at 11:47:21:
Had an email this morning saying they havent got it in stock yet... Sad


I would not trust Amazon's prediction dates. I remember in 2009 summer I pre-ordered Awrukh's GM2. It was not released until February 2010...
  
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RoleyPoley wrote on 11/01/19 at 00:29:24:
Leon_Trotsky wrote on 10/31/19 at 21:15:52:
Still no answer after more than three weeks from my e-mail sent to Russell Enterprises about when this book is published.

Amazon UK still has it available on 8 November. I have it on order with them, so i should find out in the next few days if they will have it in stock before then.

Had an email this morning saying they havent got it in stock yet... Sad
  

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Still no answer after more than three weeks from my e-mail sent to Russell Enterprises about when this book is published.

Amazon UK still has it available on 8 November. I have it on order with them, so i should find out in the next few days if they will have it in stock before then.
  

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Still no answer after more than three weeks from my e-mail sent to Russell Enterprises about when this book is published.
  
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Reply #22 - 10/12/19 at 04:03:33
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tracke wrote on 10/11/19 at 22:14:43:
Regarding the Tarrasch book by Kotronias I‘m also very curious on his analysis of the Queen‘s Pawn Games: 2.Nf3 c5?! , 2.Bf4 c5! and 2.Bg5 f6! .

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2.Nf3 c5 is surely okay, and if black wants a Tarrasch then it is best! -- 3.c4 e6.
  
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 10/07/19 at 08:39:41:
I contacted more than one week ago Russell Enterprises by e-mail to ask when this book is released. No answer.

Amazon UK has it down for Friday 8th November.
  

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Tauromachie wrote on 10/11/19 at 21:01:41:
Can someone recommend a good source for the study of this particular 3 vs. 4 Pawns Rook endgame (articles, books which cover it) ?

Last year I had to defend this 3-4 rook endgame (pawns on one wing) twice in correspondence chess (not from the Tarrasch but from Semi-Tarrasch and English).
I have allmost all important endgame tomes on my book shelf (Awerbach, ECE, Dvoretsky, Müller, Nunn, Speelman etc.) but the most useful source in this case was really The Survival Guide to Rook Endings by John Emms (Gambit, 2nd edition 2008)! Very practical!
For playing these 4-3 rook endgame you have to know some things about 2-1 rook endgames (what is no problem in corr because of 7-stone-tablebases).

Regarding the Tarrasch book by Kotronias I‘m also very curious on his analysis of the Queen‘s Pawn Games: 2.Nf3 c5?! , 2.Bf4 c5! and 2.Bg5 f6! .

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Tauromachie wrote on 10/11/19 at 21:01:41:
Hey ! Did you get an answer by now ? I thought it would be out 8th of November (amazon) .. ?


No answer up to now from Russell Enterprises. It cannot be that difficult to answer a simple question.

Amazon I do not really know when their exact release dates are. I tend not to trust their release dates when concerning chess books.
  
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I contacted more than one week ago Russell Enterprises by e-mail to ask when this book is released. No answer.


Hey ! Did you get an answer by now ? I thought it would be out 8th of November (amazon) .. ?

The endgame advice is pretty good. Can someone recommend a good source for the study of this particular 3 vs. 4 Pawns Rook endgame (articles, books which cover it) ?
  
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Reply #17 - 10/11/19 at 18:51:23
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PANFR wrote on 10/03/19 at 05:29:31:
Learn how to draw the 4 vs 3 rook ending in depth- until you can defend it on autopilot.

perhaps like Jacob A. in banter blitz (aside from the "oops")
https://youtu.be/-2ZZLFrguBQ?t=1235
  
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I contacted more than one week ago Russell Enterprises by e-mail to ask when this book is released. No answer.
  
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Your study on the Tarrasch as Black should start assuming the not-so-good case senario: Somehow you messed it up, no great attacking chances, and the d pawn is about to fall.


Learn how to draw the 4 vs 3 rook ending in depth- until you can defend it on autopilot.
  
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Reply #14 - 10/03/19 at 02:37:53
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As an amateur club player who reads along, is the Markovich doctrine of playing the Tarrasch still a wise choice for improvement or should one drop it after reaching a certain rating?

Both could be true.

You could think of the Tarrasch as a half-pawn gambit. Black still has the gambit pawn on d5, but later this pawn might fall. So black must play with great energy to compensate for this lost half-pawn, using almost entirely piece play, or sometimes combinatively thrusting the d-pawn forward. This style of play is a great chess education. If you don't actually like gambits, then forcing yourself to play this way could be bitter medicine, but it could be just the medicine you need.

Once this lesson is absorbed, whether to continue playing the Tarrasch becomes the more pragmatic question of effectiveness. If it still works for you, stay with it. I don't think there is any absolute Elo level where it won't work. Firstly it should suit your natural style. Secondly there will be a few opponents (not that many) whose own style makes this an unwise opening choice against them. Thirdly it comes down to how hard your typical opponent is preparing for it, relative to your own preparations.
  
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As an amateur club player


This is a wide range, from 1200 to 2300.

Personally I used it till 1800. Later I learned the Slav (, or better I started learning). Korchnoi's advise to learn a new opening in case you want to get better has some truth. If you are in a club I would discuss this with someone there, who knows your chess.
  

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Reply #11 - 10/01/19 at 22:56:46
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People still think that white's hand is easy to play, until they lose a bunch of games. I was also under that mentality, when rated around 2300 FIDE, and lost several games as white- then I got the needed seriousness to meet the opening properly.

Yes, it's not automatic for white. USCF Master Matt Noble related to me that so many amateurs would trot out the first nine moves of the Rubinstein variation, and then have no idea how to proceed further. Later I took up the Tarrasch myself and found that even solid masters would start to get hazy at around moves 14-16 of theory. I guess the position seemed "safely" += by then, and they closed the database window to invest their time elsewhere. I did get a few easy draws by outbooking my opponent, and quite a few harder draws by staying active in the endgame. But against Rubinstein's setup, I never won any attacking games like Natsis - Marjanovic.
  
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Reply #10 - 10/01/19 at 15:10:51
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MW wrote on 09/19/19 at 00:36:56:
Like all of GM Kotronias' books it looks to be a really detailed repertoire.

However, being an older generation player I've never thought of  the Tarrasch as being anything other than difficult for black with the best you can hope for is a draw and perhaps a win only if white doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing...have things changed?


No, very little has changed. People still think that white's hand is easy to play, until they lose a bunch of games. I was also under that mentality, when rated around 2300 FIDE, and lost several games as white- then I got the needed seriousness to meet the opening properly.
I can recall 40 years ago Greek master Natsis, who was playing at 12th Balkaniad (men) (1980), Istanbul, against Yugoslav GM Marjanovic, a Tarrasch devotee. His plan was pretty simple: Securely blocking the IQ pawn, gobbling it, and winning the ending. The plan went almost flawlessly; he did gobble the pawn with a horsie, and supported it in the most economical way: with the king.
You can watch the game, it is a lot of fun!



  
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Reply #9 - 09/30/19 at 16:19:43
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Amazon UK has this listed for release on November 4th.
  

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Reply #8 - 09/24/19 at 01:48:48
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I looked at the sample, and it is a mess. I hope the editor works harder on the final edition. The table of contents has typos left and right, too numerous to list. The pages by Kotronias looked okay though.

I played the Tarrasch for a while, and still believe it's a tenable defense, but black needs detailed preparation and energetic play to cover the holes. It seems to me that an "everyday" opening should be more positional, so that if the opponent does "nothing" then we can just go on autopilot. There is no autopilot in the Tarrasch -- unless white blunders in a known line, but of course they could have done the same in a different opening. Sadler's words in the introduction were faint praise indeed. "Awkward sidelines" anyone? Nor were Kotronias's words on page 110 very hopeful, unless your opponents typically give you a free hand:

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To the observant eye, it seems that it is suddenly White who is playing the Tarrasch, meaning that a reversal of roles has occurred: Now it will be White and not Black who will have to be careful to maintain the equilibrium!

I have a lot of sympathy for the Tarrasch, at its very best it is a chess education. But having moved on I cannot go back.
  
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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
Reply #7 - 09/23/19 at 22:02:11
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From the forward by Mathew Sadler:

"The book you are holding in front of you is exceptional! Tarrasch exponents have been blessed in the past years with some excellent works – Aagaard’s and Ntirlis’ 2011 work in particular – and this book continues this happy trend. It is both a detailed reference manual and a source of inspiration."

When I first played the Tarrash, the main line was 9Bg5 cxd with isolated queen pawn positions for black. It worked for Spassky in his 1969 world championship match against Petrosian. Thereafter black's results generally disappointed. It seemed to me that black was challenged after several moves around move 12. Perhaps with practice, one could develop a feel for the game and innovate, if need be, over the board.

Aagaard and Ntirlis promoted 9Bg5 c4 and Kotronias emphasizes that move also. Those lines seem very complex, run deepp, and I'm not convinced that they are totally satisfactory for black.

My guess is that many Tarrasch games today would have the same charm and fun as they did in the past, with both players on their own in an open game. Yet you might feel obliged to study deep and hard in the (possibly unsuccessful) attempt to convince yourself that you aren't simply playing a bad opening.

If this book comes out in electronic form, for example CBV files, I would probably buy it for reasons of nostalgia and curiosity. Who knows? I might be convinced and decide to take it up again!
  
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Reply #6 - 09/19/19 at 00:36:56
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Like all of GM Kotronias' books it looks to be a really detailed repertoire.

However, being an older generation player I've never thought of  the Tarrasch as being anything other than difficult for black with the best you can hope for is a draw and perhaps a win only if white doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing...have things changed?
  
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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
Reply #5 - 09/18/19 at 21:16:43
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According to amazon.de this book will be available on nov 8th .
German Amazon is generally late with books published in america,
so the real publication date should be middle or end of october !?

Looking at the excerpt I noticed a typo/omission on page 5:
(C) 5. dxc5 d4 (C1) 6. Na4 b5 7. cxb6 axb6 ...

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Reply #4 - 09/17/19 at 15:11:14
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It looks like a very interesting book!  Smiley
  
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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
Reply #3 - 09/12/19 at 19:59:57
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 09/12/19 at 19:43:03:
When is this due to be published ¿

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5856bd64ff7c50433c3803db/t/5d794dad7473c9...

The excerpt says that he tforeword was written this month, but nothing about date of publication due.

Dont know. It's not coming up on Amazon or on any google search other than on the Russell Enterprises website so it could be a while yet. Wasnt their book on the Scotch Gambit on the website a while before being published?

On the other hand, if the foreword has been written, that would imply Matthew Sadler had read a draft of it, which itself would imply that it is close to being ready to publish.
  

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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
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When is this due to be published ¿

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5856bd64ff7c50433c3803db/t/5d794dad7473c9...

The excerpt says that he tforeword was written this month, but nothing about date of publication due.
  
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Re: New Tarrasch Defense Book by Kotronias
Reply #1 - 09/12/19 at 19:16:36
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Odd. I thought Kotronias was supposed to have retired from writing books.

It sounds like a book i would like to get, so am looking forward to it's release.

Will be good to see how it compares to the other recent book on the Tarrasch.
  

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09/12/19 at 19:02:52
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Okay - noticed that Russell Enterprises is publishing a new book, "Fight 1.d4 with the Tarrasch! A Complete Black Repertoire vs. 1.d4", by Vassilios Kotronias.

From the website: "A Complete Fighting Repertoire against 1.d4!

Do you like active piece play? Fighting for the initiative from move one? The Tarrasch Defense just may be what you are looking for. Its advantages include:

(1) It can be played against pretty much anything: 1.Nf3, 1.c4, 1.g3, 1.d4. Play 1...e6, 2...d5 and 3...c5 and you are there!

(2) It leads most of the time to a typical IQP pawn structure, and it is difficult for the opponent to shape the game into another course.

(3) Black’s pieces naturally enjoy open lines and active posts so it’s easy to play the opening moves quickly and successfully!

This book is exceptional! Tarrasch exponents have been blessed in the past years with some excellent works, and this book continues this happy trend. It is both a detailed reference manual and a source of inspiration. For example, in the main line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.g3 Nf6 7.Bg2 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.dxc5, I was intrigued to see such interesting analysis of the unusual gambit line 9...d4 as well as the main line 9...Bxc5. I was also very impressed by the work that Vassilios put into the awkward sidelines such as 3.Nf3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5, discovering a wealth of active possibilities in quiet-looking positions. I am certain that this book will become an essential tool both for experienced Tarrasch players and future aficionados! – Grandmaster Matthew Sadler in his Foreword

Greek grandmaster Vassilios Kotronias is well-known for his excellent analytical work and writing style which presents the material in a way that is comprehensive and easy to understand. In this book – his first for Russell Enterprises – he offers a thorough system for Black against 1.d4. That includes responses to other systems such as the Colle, Trompowsky, London, etc. So, are you ready to stake your claim as Black, fighting from the first move? The Tarrasch may be just what you are looking for!"

One thing I noticed that they don't indicate which way Black should play against 9. Bg5 (I mean, I assume but 9...c4, but not totally sure).

Anybody notice anything else?
  
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