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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #28 - 10/09/19 at 20:53:40
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Monocle wrote on 10/08/19 at 22:12:15:
This sort of obnoxious time wasting isn't even limited to sore losers.  I've had blitz games online where I've overlooked a mate in one, and my opponent has let their clock run down to the very last second before delivering it.  Anyone care to speculate on what the purpose of that might be?


Simply giving the chance to resign and showing how awful it is to continue playing against an opponent allowing this. You complain because you don't resign.
  

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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #27 - 10/09/19 at 15:22:27
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brabo wrote on 10/09/19 at 07:26:06:
Then I teach them a lesson by also letting my clock run down so giving them the hope of getting a free point. In the last second I checkmate them after which they realize they are fooled themselves.


Unfortunately, the lesson you teach them is to time their resignation to when you have two seconds left.
  
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Reply #26 - 10/09/19 at 15:20:08
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MNb wrote on 10/09/19 at 05:22:17:
Monocle wrote on 10/08/19 at 22:12:15:
Anyone care to speculate on what the purpose of that might be?

They want to raise false hope.
They want you to "enjoy" utter defeat as long as possible.


Joke's on them, then, because I hadn't even noticed the mate.   Grin
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #25 - 10/09/19 at 14:55:11
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Bibs wrote on 10/09/19 at 08:45:43:
Such behaviours are discussed in the song by sardonic social satirists Half Man Half Biscuit, 'Bad Losers on Yahoo Chess'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w3eW1huCM

Possibly the best ever track about playing chess online. Thanks Nigel.

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http://halfmanhalfbiscuit.uk/csi-ambleside/bad-losers-on-yahoo-chess/




Brilliant, thanks for sharing!
  
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Reply #24 - 10/09/19 at 13:36:17
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Life is too short to get all worked up about bad behavior in meaningless on-line blitz games.

If they don’t resign, then there is no rematch.  Just move on to the next opponent.
  
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Reply #23 - 10/09/19 at 08:45:43
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Such behaviours are discussed in the song by sardonic social satirists Half Man Half Biscuit, 'Bad Losers on Yahoo Chess'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8w3eW1huCM

Possibly the best ever track about playing chess online. Thanks Nigel.

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http://halfmanhalfbiscuit.uk/csi-ambleside/bad-losers-on-yahoo-chess/


  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #22 - 10/09/19 at 07:26:06
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Monocle wrote on 10/08/19 at 22:12:15:
This sort of obnoxious time wasting isn't even limited to sore losers.  I've had blitz games online where I've overlooked a mate in one, and my opponent has let their clock run down to the very last second before delivering it.  Anyone care to speculate on what the purpose of that might be?

I sometimes do when my opponent deliberately first let their clock ran down for several minutes till there is only 1 second remaining on the clock while it is just checkmate on the next move and then an extra move is played just to profit from the fact that meanwhile I lost interest. Then I teach them a lesson by also letting my clock run down so giving them the hope of getting a free point. In the last second I checkmate them after which they realize they are fooled themselves. After that I normally have to close the chatterwindow as the things they write can be very ugly.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #21 - 10/09/19 at 05:22:17
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Monocle wrote on 10/08/19 at 17:37:23:
Also known as the Von Bardeleben Manoeuvre.

Which is not entirely fair, because Von Bardeleben actually sent a messenger to resign. This was not accepted, so the arbiter let the clock run out of time. Von Bardeleben was quite eccentric.

Monocle wrote on 10/08/19 at 22:12:15:
Anyone care to speculate on what the purpose of that might be?

They want to raise false hope.
They want you to "enjoy" utter defeat as long as possible.
  

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Reply #20 - 10/08/19 at 22:12:15
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This sort of obnoxious time wasting isn't even limited to sore losers.  I've had blitz games online where I've overlooked a mate in one, and my opponent has let their clock run down to the very last second before delivering it.  Anyone care to speculate on what the purpose of that might be?
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #19 - 10/08/19 at 21:49:32
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Regarding online blitz, I apply a simple formula when my opponent doesn't resign in an absolutely obvious position: i resign myself.

Yes, i do it absolutely always ... I also resign when my opponent plays something totally pointless, for example 1.h4 and 1.a4 (as one GM did once ..... ).

Before doing this, i raised my online rating to a number where i could have interesting games (2300-2400 range) and set the preference to challenge only ppl 100-200 points above me. I only play friendship games, not rated. This also helps in avoiding unethical behaviour.

And this way is much better. You don't play many games, but don't loose a single second of your time.

I deeply hate loosing my time.  Angry Angry Angry
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #18 - 10/08/19 at 17:37:23
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Seeley wrote on 10/07/19 at 23:40:21:
Actually, I've even seen it happen once in OTB chess. Some years ago, the opponent of one of my teammates in the 4NCL (the UK national league) simply left the playing hall and didn't bother returning once he realised his position was hopeless.


Also known as the Von Bardeleben Manoeuvre.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #17 - 10/08/19 at 15:48:41
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I think there are a lot of different phenomena here that look the same from the receiving end. Some players just lose their internet connection when a train goes underground. Some surely minimize the browser window--some probably with regret because their mom or their boss walked in on them! If you're a GM (or any kind of M), you'll probably be winning when this happens because you are winning most of the time against unregistered players anyway. But I, who am no kind of M, have also had it happen when I'm losing.

Some, as Dink Heckler said, want to exact petty revenge for the humiliation of losing.  I've had players run down my clock from a lost position, then immediately pick up another game. Some even resign the instant before their clock runs down, just to show they've done it deliberately.

I think cases of petty malice are more rare than it sometimes feels, but any regular online player has suffered such treatment, and some may want to give as much as they think they've received. Anonymity can breed cynicism--just as the guy who cuts in front of me on the highway may be racing to his child's birth, but I think he's an SOB trying to humiliate me, so if you're a GM and make a lot of their LPs DO in a hurry, some opponents may conclude that you're using a computer and punish you for your supposed perfidy. It strikes me that online blitz, like driving, subjects people to many small shocks and frustrations, some of them unjust, and in such environments they can anger easily. (I think that must be one reason hockey players, but not cricket or baseball players, punch each other in the mouth.)

Whatever the cause of the freeze may be, I turn off chat and, like Jupp, do something else with my time while they run out my clock. I also have tried, out of self-interest,  to guard myself against anger, with somewhat better success now than when I was younger; at the same time, I try to enjoy the victory!
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #16 - 10/08/19 at 14:25:20
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Do you mean with 'anonymously' unrated games on Lichess without an account?

Rated games have less toxic behaviour.
  
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Reply #15 - 10/08/19 at 12:19:23
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/07/19 at 14:25:07:
almost none of them resigned - at least two thirds just let their time run out rather than resign! Is this normal?


Yes, but I don't imagine they are stubbornly pouting while watching the clock tick down.

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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #14 - 10/08/19 at 07:53:15
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/07/19 at 19:35:32:
Yes, I guess I should register, get my rating up and then play better players who know when to resign (?!)


They will still try to flag you, but there will be repercussions for just sitting and letting time run out.
  
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