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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #19 - 11/21/19 at 15:23:45
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3 model games given before the theory chapter are

Carlsen vs Caruana,  Alekseenko, K. vs. Kokarev, Dm and Alekseenko, K vs Riazantsev, A.

I dont know which year or event these games took place.
Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Norway Chess (Blitz) (2017) (blitz), Stavanger NOR, rd 8, Jun-05
Indian Game: General (A45)  •  1-0
Qxe6+Kc721.Qf7+Be722.Qxe7+Kc823.hxg7Rxd1+24.Nxd1Rg825.Qf8+Kc726.Qxg81-0
Kirill Alekseenko vs Vladislav Kovalev
World Blitz Championship (2018) (blitz), St Petersburg RUS, rd 7, Dec-29
Indian Game: General (A45)  •  0-1
1.      0-1
Kirill Alekseenko vs Alexander Riazantsev
World Rapid Championship (2018) (rapid), St Petersburg RUS, rd 15, Dec-28
Queen Pawn Game: Veresov Attack (D00)  •  1-0
53.Rd4+1-0
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #18 - 11/18/19 at 21:46:49
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The critical sequence here is 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 a6 4. e3 e6 5. g4 Bb4 6. Nge2 O-O 7. a3 Be7 8. Rge1

Around here, at high depth Stockfish starts to agree that white is perhaps not worse after all and that maybe there are other plans than Nc1 🤭.
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #17 - 11/18/19 at 17:10:23
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TopNotch wrote on 11/17/19 at 14:10:09:
Kaufman and Sielecki are really enthusiastic about the following line for Black against the Jobava: 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!?

Kaufman cites the following game with analysis:

Jobava,Ba (2622) - Sargsyan,Shant (2488) [D00]
PRO League KO Stage 2019 chess.com INT (2), 02.04.2019

1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!? 4.e3 e6

What says Simon Williams about this line?


There's 2 chapters about this line. He gives both 5. g4!? and 5. Bd3.
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #16 - 11/17/19 at 15:32:38
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TopNotch wrote on 11/17/19 at 14:10:09:
Kaufman and Sielecki are really enthusiastic about the following line for Black against the Jobava: 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!?

Kaufman cites the following game with analysis:

Jobava,Ba (2622) - Sargsyan,Shant (2488) [D00]
PRO League KO Stage 2019 chess.com INT (2), 02.04.2019

1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!? 4.e3 e6 5.a3 c5 6.h3 Nc6 7.Nf3 b5 8.Bd3 c4 9.Be2 Bd6 10.0-0 0-0 11.Re1 Bb7 12.Qd2 Re8 13.Bg5 h6 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.e4 Bf4 16.Qd1 dxe4 17.Nxe4 Qe7 18.Nc5 Rad8 19.c3 Bc8 20.Bf1 Bd6 21.Ne4 Bb8 22.b3 cxb3 23.Qxb3 Qc7 24.a4 b4 25.Rac1 Qa5 26.Re3 Bf4 27.cxb4 Qb6 28.a5 Qb7 29.Rc5 Bxe3 30.Qxe3 Nxb4 31.Nf6+ gxf6 32.Qxh6 Nd5 33.Bd3 f5 34.Qg5+ Kf8 35.Qh6+ Ke7 36.Ne5 Rg8 37.Bf1 Bd7 38.Qh4+ Ke8 39.Qh7 Rf8 40.Qg7 Qb1 41.h4 Rc8 42.Rxc8+ Bxc8 43.h5 Nf4 44.f3 Qe1 45.g3 Nxh5 46.Qh6 Qxg3+ 47.Kh1 Qh4+ 0-1

What says Simon Williams about this line?

Havent looked at the material properly yet. I think in the introduction he may have said something along the lines of it being a logical approach by black in stopping Nb5 threats but whites lead in development allows him to begin pushing on the kingside almost immediately. A number of the lines he covers in the Chessable guide involve 5.g4

3 model games given before the theory chapter are

Carlsen vs Caruana,  Alekseenko, K. vs. Kokarev, Dm and Alekseenko, K vs Riazantsev, A.

I dont know which year or event these games took place.
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #15 - 11/17/19 at 14:10:09
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Kaufman and Sielecki are really enthusiastic about the following line for Black against the Jobava: 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!?

Kaufman cites the following game with analysis:

Jobava,Ba (2622) - Sargsyan,Shant (2488) [D00]
PRO League KO Stage 2019 chess.com INT (2), 02.04.2019

1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 a6!? 4.e3 e6 5.a3 c5 6.h3 Nc6 7.Nf3 b5 8.Bd3 c4 9.Be2 Bd6 10.0-0 0-0 11.Re1 Bb7 12.Qd2 Re8 13.Bg5 h6 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.e4 Bf4 16.Qd1 dxe4 17.Nxe4 Qe7 18.Nc5 Rad8 19.c3 Bc8 20.Bf1 Bd6 21.Ne4 Bb8 22.b3 cxb3 23.Qxb3 Qc7 24.a4 b4 25.Rac1 Qa5 26.Re3 Bf4 27.cxb4 Qb6 28.a5 Qb7 29.Rc5 Bxe3 30.Qxe3 Nxb4 31.Nf6+ gxf6 32.Qxh6 Nd5 33.Bd3 f5 34.Qg5+ Kf8 35.Qh6+ Ke7 36.Ne5 Rg8 37.Bf1 Bd7 38.Qh4+ Ke8 39.Qh7 Rf8 40.Qg7 Qb1 41.h4 Rc8 42.Rxc8+ Bxc8 43.h5 Nf4 44.f3 Qe1 45.g3 Nxh5 46.Qh6 Qxg3+ 47.Kh1 Qh4+ 0-1

What says Simon Williams about this line?
  

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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #14 - 11/13/19 at 13:19:09
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Thank you, RoleyPoley

RoleyPoley wrote on 11/11/19 at 16:08:27:
… and the relative simplicity of 2.Nc3 (it leads to a smaller number of set ups black will play against you so requires you to know less in turn).


Yes, I guess that is a valid point.
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #13 - 11/11/19 at 16:08:27
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Lanark wrote on 11/11/19 at 10:52:48:
I am interested in the London after 1.d4 d5 (after 1.d4 Nf6 I like the Tromp).
Does Williams give any information about the pros and cons of the "pure" London and the London-Jobava after 1...d5?

Of course a lot of lines can merge after e.g. 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.Nc3
I believe after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 c5 the move 3.e4 is more dangerous than the Morris gambit 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4. The latter has a quite dubious reputation.

Are there any other lines where 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 (followed by 3.Bf4) is advantageous compared to 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4?

I somehow think 2.Nc3 is a bit more dynamic or Tromp-like than 2.Bf4. On the other hand 2.Bf4 appears sounder to me, but maybe that's only my kind of gut feeling.  Smiley


I dont know if he says anything in the London DVD. I wouldnt have thought so.

He does briefly mention in his Jobava London DvD and Chessable products how they differ (particularly in the latter) - probably because he expects a crossover audience (and because he calls it Jobava London , not Jobava Prie).

Here his main points are i think the weakness of b2 if playing 2.Bf4 (and the threat of an early Qb6), and the relative simplicity of 2.Nc3 (it leads to a smaller number of set ups black will play against you so requires you to know less in turn).

I cant remember the specific lines he covers though in these explanations.
  

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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #12 - 11/11/19 at 10:52:48
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I am interested in the London after 1.d4 d5 (after 1.d4 Nf6 I like the Tromp).
Does Williams give any information about the pros and cons of the "pure" London and the London-Jobava after 1...d5?

Of course a lot of lines can merge after e.g. 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.Nc3
I believe after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 c5 the move 3.e4 is more dangerous than the Morris gambit 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4. The latter has a quite dubious reputation.

Are there any other lines where 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 (followed by 3.Bf4) is advantageous compared to 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4?

I somehow think 2.Nc3 is a bit more dynamic or Tromp-like than 2.Bf4. On the other hand 2.Bf4 appears sounder to me, but maybe that's only my kind of gut feeling.  Smiley

  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #11 - 11/05/19 at 16:14:01
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VGA wrote on 11/04/19 at 23:01:42:
Williams has said in his Youtube videos that he is very satisfied with the chessable people and that his cut of the sales is very fair. He has now posted even more videos of live Jobava London games (some are not JL games but the lines he recommends against non-mainline moves in the course)


I think Chessable is popular amongst content creators because their royalties are something like 60%
  

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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
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Williams has said in his Youtube videos that he is very satisfied with the chessable people and that his cut of the sales is very fair. He has now posted even more videos of live Jobava London games (some are not JL games but the lines he recommends against non-mainline moves in the course)
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #9 - 11/01/19 at 01:10:14
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The Jobava stuff is on his own Ginger GM dvd, from earlier in the year, and now the new video/chessable 'book' that came out a week or so ago.

I think the Chessbase videos cover the more common (Neo?) London stuff.

It's not that surprising it has come out on chessable now - he recently had his Killer Dutch material updated on put on there and is probably striking while the iron is hot.... there isnt much material out there on the Jobava system (I can only think of the London book by Romero has a chapter, as does the Move by Move Veresov book, and Jobava had an article in a chess yearbook a while back). It was only recently listed on their list of titles confirmed for publishing this year.

I think the royalties are much higher for Chessable than traditional chess publishers pay and he is a popular author/presenter .
  

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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #8 - 10/31/19 at 17:19:56
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I was just going by what is given here (click on "contents") ...where I see no Jobava stuff.
https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/williams_the_london_system_reloaded?Ref=R...
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #7 - 10/31/19 at 16:46:46
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kylemeister wrote on 10/26/19 at 21:21:16:
I see that on the DVD after 1...Nf6 2. Bf4 c5 he indeed doesn't go with what the latest d-Pawn Specials update calls "the even more unbalancing 3. d5" (which can transpose to the Vaganian Gambit in the Trompowsky, or not) nor 3. e3 but rather 3. dc (which according to the same update "has lost a fair degree of popularity").

I think he said somewhere,, maybe the last DVD on the london that he did not like playing d5 and black does not play the vangardian. I heard that on chess.com there was a trump video and the author of it said the same. I could be wrong.

Does he give any jobrava stuff in chess base or is it pretty much the london? Just asking cause his last DVD had a chapter on it. Oh I was really surprised to see this dvd with the chessable course just out too.
  
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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #6 - 10/29/19 at 13:00:28
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On chessable is a free course from williams about d4-Nc3-Bf4. Maybe you can get some ideas from this.
  

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Re: New London DVD By GM Williams.
Reply #5 - 10/29/19 at 12:17:07
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Simon has posted a "trailer" for his new work on the Jobava London system, as he calls it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHt2wSb-TE

And two videos where he plays the opening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGz2-LPQILo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wvAzMLHzGs
  
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