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Re: The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
Reply #5 - 12/29/19 at 14:54:28
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/08/19 at 21:13:53:
I dug out Gutman (2001) 4...Qh4 in the Scotch Game. The book is quite hard to navigate! Or is it the opening that is hard to navigate? But on page 221 (Part 4, Chapter 4, Section 4, Sequel 13) he gives 11...Qh3, improving on Helmond - Welling, Holland 1995.


Gutman's book is very interesting, but it was written in pre-computer days, or at least much weaker computer days. Current 3000+ engines rip a lot of his analysis to pieces.
  

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Re: The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
Reply #4 - 12/29/19 at 14:51:27
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/08/19 at 18:27:46:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.O-O Nf6 10.Bd3 Qh4 11.g3 Qh5

at first the engine suggests 12.Be2 Qd5 13.Nd4 is +0.5, but it's not, e.g 13...d6 14.Bf3 Qc4 15.Bg5 Qxc3 and already +0.0, with white no doubt having a repetition somewhere.


Yes, I'd looked at that line as well – and taken it further with the engine: 16. Bxc6 bxc6 17. Qh5 Be6 18. Nxe6+ fxe6 19. Qf7 Kc8! 20. Rae1 (20. Qxg7 Ne4; 20. Qxe6+ Nd7) 20...Nd5 21. Rxe6 Kb7 22. Rxd6 Rhf8 23. Qd7 Nb6 24. Rd3 Qxc2 25. Qd4 Qxa2, whereupon it starts preferring Black, though of course it's all very random.
  

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Re: The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
Reply #3 - 12/08/19 at 21:13:53
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I dug out Gutman (2001) 4...Qh4 in the Scotch Game. The book is quite hard to navigate! Or is it the opening that is hard to navigate? But on page 221 (Part 4, Chapter 4, Section 4, Sequel 13) he gives 11...Qh3, improving on Helmond - Welling, Holland 1995.
https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=1513871

I also checked Lane (2005) Scotch Game Explained, but he gives 10.Rb1 instead of 10.Bd3.

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I ran Helmond - Welling through Stockfish. White missed two(!) chances to break through on d6. I think this variation is too difficult to play perfectly with either color. But isn't the same thing true of, for example, the Najdorf Poisoned Pawn?
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Re: The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
Reply #2 - 12/08/19 at 18:27:46
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I have always had an interest in 4...Qh4, but I only tried it once against strong opposition - a chaotic draw. I remember Chessmaster2100 used to answer 5.Qd3 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Nf5, which gave me some trouble in blindfold chess. I lost those game scores when I dropped the PC on its end, only to find out just how useless the MS Backup software was. Since then, all backups are a simple copy command, or equivalent: xcopy, robocopy, cp, tar, etc.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.O-O Nf6

In these positions white's basic plan is to sacrifice something, probably on c7 or d6. But if it's too deep for the engine to see, then it's also too deep for me! That's one practical problem.

10.Bd3 Qh4 11.g3 Qh5

This is the engine's top choice, so I have to wonder about 11...Qh3.

After 11...Qh5, at first the engine suggests 12.Be2 Qd5 13.Nd4 is +0.5, but it's not, e.g 13...d6 14.Bf3
(14.Rb1 - my try - 14...Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bh3 16.Bf3 Qxa2 17.Rb2 Qc4 18.Re1 Rb8 19.Be2 Qc6 20.Bf3 Qc4 is a typical computer line)
14...Qc4 15.Bg5 Qxc3 and already +0.0, with white no doubt having a repetition somewhere.

11...Qh5 12.Be2 Qd5 13. Bd2!? (at least developing) 13...Re8 14. c4 Qc5 15. Bc3 d6 likewise is equal.

11...Qh5 12.Qxh5?! Nxh5 13.Bg5+ (13.g4 Nf6 14.g5 Nh5 does not harm black) (13.Bc4 Ne5 - for some reason the engine does not choose this - 14.Bb3 d6 15.f4 Nc6 16.Bxf7 Nf6 is interesting, I prefer black) 13...Nf6 14.Rfe1 d6 15.Rab1 h6 16.Bxf6+ gxf6 is already better for black.

4...Qh4 - better than it's reputation.
  
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Re: The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
Reply #1 - 12/07/19 at 09:54:10
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The only section I've looked at is 4...Qh4, which Pavlovic gives as "?!" with the following:

5 Nc3 Bb4 6 Be2 Qxe4 7 Ndb5 Bxc3+ 8 bxc3 Kd8 9 0-0 Nf6 10 Bd3 Qh4 11 g3 Qh3 12 Bg5 Ne5 (or 12...Re8 13.Qf3 ... following S.Haslinger-L.McGregor, Hawick 2008) 13 f4! Neg4 14 Qd2 h6 15 Bh4 d6 16 Rfe1! ... with some more moves in these lines.

But 11...Qh3 is just a blunder. He doesn't mention the obvious 11...Qh5! (and if 12 Be2 then 12...Qd5), after which I think Black is fine.
  

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The Modernized Scotch Game - Pavlovic
11/01/19 at 13:16:38
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Milos Pavlovic – The Modernized Scotch Game – A Complete Repertoire for White and Black. Thinkers Publishing 2019.

Just published from Thinkers Publishing, from what I read in the free PDF excerpt, this book concentrates on recent developments and new moves in the Scotch for both sides. I like the fact that with this kind of books you can choose what you like to play, (or best suits your style), and eventually discard the rest, or keep your options open, so you have a broader, and possibly more dangerous, repertoire. I think I'll buy it soon. 
  
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