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Reply #16 - 11/20/19 at 13:37:36
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Stigma wrote on 11/20/19 at 11:12:42:
Why is that?

I answered that question already in my previous comment, in the part you carefully omitted when you quoted me. If you happen to think that the subtitle I translated is an expression of DDR-nostalgia I advise you to work on your open mind indeed. Let me help you on your way: "deathly love" has a negative meaning and hence doesn't exactly express support for Brezhnev and Honegger.
  

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Reply #15 - 11/20/19 at 11:12:42
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MNb wrote on 11/20/19 at 10:01:31:
Stigma wrote on 11/20/19 at 05:32:45:
It could be that Leon_Trotsky really does find the DDR worth commemorating.

This only makes sense if you lack the open mind you try to promote yourself.

Why is that? Nostalgia for various aspects of life and culture in the DDR still exists, with a variety of motivations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie
And Leon_Trotsky doesn't exactly hide his political leanings (unless you think it's all a display of irony, but that's not my impression).
  

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Reply #14 - 11/20/19 at 10:01:31
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Glenn Snow wrote on 11/20/19 at 04:09:09:
Could the previous post be less appropriate?

No. Check the subtitle.

"Mein Gott,hilf mir diese tödliche Liebe zu überleben."

"Dear God, help me to survive this deadly love."

Of course some here can't stand this kind of sarcasm, but I think it very appropriate to commemorate that many DDR-citizens did survive that deadly love.


Stigma wrote on 11/20/19 at 05:32:45:
It could be that Leon_Trotsky really does find the DDR worth commemorating.

This only makes sense if you lack the open mind you try to promote yourself.
  

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Re: Modernised Berlin Wall
Reply #13 - 11/20/19 at 09:12:12
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Berlin I'd imagine. The Marshall is a pain too of course, but more play.

If the Berlin ending is a dead end (I think established on some level by now), you've got either 4 d3 or 5 Re1 anyway so hardly losing much playing the Italian instead.
  
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Reply #12 - 11/20/19 at 07:21:17
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 11/20/19 at 07:09:17:
Stigma wrote on 11/20/19 at 07:02:16:
Actually many people don't "find it very good that it is Black's best defence to 1. e4", if indeed it is, since the Berlin's popularity makes playing 1.e4 as White more boring than it used to be.


I think that if White gets that irritated by the Berlin, that definitely makes a case for calling the Berlin the best, or if not then one of the best, defences for Black.

I'm not too irritated, as I play 1.e4 only rarely anyway. But if I wanted to go back to it permanently, ensuring I had lines I liked against 1.e4 e5 would be first on the agenda.

The Italian has rivaled the Ruy Lopez in popularity on top level for a few years now. I don't know exactly which Ruy lines make them look for alternatives as White, but the Berlin and the Marshall Gambit are obvious suspects.
  

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Reply #11 - 11/20/19 at 07:09:17
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Stigma wrote on 11/20/19 at 07:02:16:
Actually many people don't "find it very good that it is Black's best defence to 1. e4", if indeed it is, since the Berlin's popularity makes playing 1.e4 as White more boring than it used to be.


I think that if White gets that irritated by the Berlin, that definitely makes a case for calling the Berlin the best, or if not then one of the best, defences for Black.
  
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 11/20/19 at 06:27:28:
But I find the premise of the opening Berlin Wall ironic. If so many people wanted the Berlin Wall to fall in November 1989, they find it very good that it is Black's best defence to 1. e4 because in chess the Berlin Wall shall never fall (?).

Also ironic that the Berlin Wall opening was never super popular in pre-1989 tournament chess.


3...Nf6 was known as the Berlin defence for a century or more before the Berlin Wall was built. It has something to do with these old masters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Pleiades. According to my database, three of the first four recorded games with 3...Nf6 were played in Berlin between 1836 and 1847.

The "Wall" nickname for the defence must have been added later, after people realized how difficult it could be to break down. Maybe even as recently as Kramnik's successful usage of it in the 2000 match.

Actually many people don't "find it very good that it is Black's best defence to 1. e4", if indeed it is, since the Berlin's popularity makes playing 1.e4 as White more boring than it used to be. Though the Petroff's ebbs and flows in popularity also play a role here.
  

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One of my grandfathers was born in China in the 1890s. During the Japanese occupation he went in exile to the West. He was a very strict person. But in the 1970s, he decided to return permanently to China, which had already become communist. He probably considered DDR not strict enough.

But I find the premise of the opening Berlin Wall ironic. If so many people wanted the Berlin Wall to fall in November 1989, they find it very good that it is Black's best defence to 1. e4 because in chess the Berlin Wall shall never fall (?).

Also ironic that the Berlin Wall opening was never super popular in pre-1989 tournament chess.

  
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Reply #8 - 11/20/19 at 05:32:45
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Glenn Snow wrote on 11/20/19 at 04:09:09:
Could the previous post be less appropriate?

It could be that Leon_Trotsky really does find the DDR worth commemorating. Though most people today don't.

Trying to just listen with an open mind and not think of the Communist and Cold War history, I actually found the music and lyrics of Auferstanden aus Ruinen a bit inspiring (though the line "Schlagen wir des Volkes Feind" brought me right back to the Stasi and the oppressive regime).

I can't recall hearing this anthem before, so thanks for that.
  

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Reply #7 - 11/20/19 at 04:09:09
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Could the previous post be less appropriate?
  
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Reply #6 - 11/19/19 at 19:58:52
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To commemorate DDR:

https://youtu.be/dIh1eOw0zV8



I am also confused why the Berlin endgame has fewer pages than other chapters.

  
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Reply #5 - 11/19/19 at 18:59:33
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The book has 216 pages but the appendix with 100 games to understand the Berlin Endgame only starts on page 211 ?! (316 pages in total would make sense)

According to Niggemann the book is available in the next few days! (nov 21th?!)

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Re: Modernised Berlin Wall
Reply #4 - 11/16/19 at 13:27:22
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An incident that is still fresh in my mind happened in the World U-16 Championship in 2009, when I was paired against an opponent who was 200 points lower rated than me. I was scared to play the Berlin as I thought he might hold me to a draw, but my coach, GM R.B.Ramesh, told me to go and play it confidently, and the result was a 31-move victory!


Here is the game. I can't do an attachment from my phone.

[Event "World Youth ch u16"]
[Site "Antalya TUR"]
[Date "2009.11.16"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Szalay, Karoly"]
[Black "Priyadharshan, K."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C67"]
[WhiteElo "2128"]
[BlackElo "2343"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[EventDate "2009.11.12"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5
8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 Ne7 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bh4 Ke8 12. Rad1 Bg4 13. h3 Bxf3 14.
gxf3 Nf5 15. Bg3 Ke7 16. Rd3 Ke6 17. Rfd1 Be7 18. Ne2 g5 19. f4 Rad8 20. Kg2
Rd5 21. Kf3 Rhd8 22. Ke4 Bc5 23. fxg5 Nxg3+ 24. Nxg3 hxg5 25. f4 gxf4 26. Nf1
Rxe5+ 27. Kxf4 Bd6 28. Kf3 Rh8 29. Kg2 Re2+ 30. Kg1 Rg8+ 31. Kh1 Rgg2
0-1
  
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Re: Modernised Berlin Wall
Reply #3 - 11/16/19 at 10:22:55
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I am curious whether he can instill some life into the 5.Re1 line.
  
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Re: Modernised Berlin Wall
Reply #2 - 11/16/19 at 09:08:08
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Ha,
we in Germany just had the jubilee of 30 years of the fall of the Berlin Wall on nov., 9th. And now I read, it will be modernized  Huh Cheesy Grin

Is somehow in the line with political feelings. The east of Germany has some tendencies towards extreme right wingers as the elections show.

Okay, that's only politics...

Let's focus on the really important items - let's focus on chess Cool
  

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