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Reply #32 - 01/05/20 at 23:16:27
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grandpatzer wrote on 01/05/20 at 18:07:07:
It’s interesting that 2...Qe7 is dealed with, too. I often have to meet 2...Qf6, too, in online games.


Magnus Carlsen as black likes to humiliate players in Banter Blitz on Chess24 with the following junk line:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Qe7 5.Ng5? h6!

Cocky guy, but nowhere near as insufferable as Hikaru Smiley
  

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Reply #31 - 01/05/20 at 18:07:07
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It’s interesting that 2...Qe7 is dealed with, too. I often have to meet 2...Qf6, too, in online games.
  
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Re: Squeezing 1e4 e5 by Khalifman/Soloviov
Reply #30 - 01/05/20 at 16:59:23
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tracke wrote on 01/05/20 at 04:46:59:
The Elephant ist encountered by 3.exd5 , the Latvian by 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 d6 5.Nc4 fxe4 6.Nc3 .
One main game in the Petroff3Knights is Fressinet-WangYue, Huaian 2016, with some little suggestions on moves 12 and 19.
As I stated in an earlier post, the white treatment of the Philidor (2...d6) and the Modern Philidor (via 2...Nf6 3.Nc3 d6) is the biggest part of the book! As you can see in the free preview, Black‘s open approach is answered by g3/Bg2 and the closed set-up by the usual 7.a4/8.h3/9.Re1 . One important game is Paikidze-Kashlinskaya, Urgup 2004. [Btw, the diagram on page 106 is wrong]
In the Spanish4Knights with 4...Bd6 5.d3 0-0 the authors suggest 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 Be7 8.h3N as the only way for White to fight for the advantage (2pages). Their mainline for Black would be 5...a6 6.Ba4 h6 7.a3 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 and now 4 pages on 9.Ne2 or 9.Be3.

Well, I think I‘ve said enough. Go get the book!

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Thanks tracke, that was a very helpful post. I do plan to get the book as soon as New in Chess has it in stock, NIC being my preferred online shop, I'm kinda surprised they don't have it yet though. Sad
  

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Reply #29 - 01/05/20 at 11:52:33
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Thank you so much, tracke. Will buy this book.
  
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Reply #28 - 01/05/20 at 04:46:59
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The Elephant ist encountered by 3.exd5 , the Latvian by 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 d6 5.Nc4 fxe4 6.Nc3 .
One main game in the Petroff3Knights is Fressinet-WangYue, Huaian 2016, with some little suggestions on moves 12 and 19.
As I stated in an earlier post, the white treatment of the Philidor (2...d6) and the Modern Philidor (via 2...Nf6 3.Nc3 d6) is the biggest part of the book! As you can see in the free preview, Black‘s open approach is answered by g3/Bg2 and the closed set-up by the usual 7.a4/8.h3/9.Re1 . One important game is Paikidze-Kashlinskaya, Urgup 2004. [Btw, the diagram on page 106 is wrong]
In the Spanish4Knights with 4...Bd6 5.d3 0-0 the authors suggest 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 Be7 8.h3N as the only way for White to fight for the advantage (2pages). Their mainline for Black would be 5...a6 6.Ba4 h6 7.a3 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 and now 4 pages on 9.Ne2 or 9.Be3.

Well, I think I‘ve said enough. Go get the book!

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Re: Squeezing 1e4 e5 by Khalifman/Soloviov
Reply #27 - 01/05/20 at 00:58:45
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tracke wrote on 12/31/19 at 20:26:17:
I got my copy this morning from Niggemann. Looks „practical“ and good!

I have to confess that I‘m no expert in these lines, neither from the white nor from the black side. So in the last hours I‘ve just cross-checked the book‘s lines superfically against some other resources ...
In the preface Khalifman characterizes his approach in this book as scientifically minimalistic: practical and riskless but always „on the bright side of the equality“. In fact the authors claim an overall += but of course in many positions it‘s not easy to decide if White‘s advantage is small, very small, microscopic or non-existent ...

Probably you want some lines, a few at least?!
A) Rubinstein: 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.0-0 c6!? 6.Bd3!? and after 6...Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 d6 8.Be2 Be7 9.d3 0-0 10.Qg3 there are 4 pages of analysis, obviously improving on some recent games of Andreikin.
B) Symmetrical mainline: 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.0-0 0-0 6.Lxc6!? dxc6 7.d3 (from now on White‘s play is simple and harmless but straight forward!)
B1) 7...Bxc3 8.bxc3 Bg4 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Qxf3 Qd6 (as recommended by Ntirlis2016 and Johnson2018) and now after both 11.Qe2 (Nimzowitsch-Vajda 1926) and 11.Qe3 (Kasperian-Korchnoi 1952) the book offers an improvement.
B2) 7...Nd7 8.Ne2 (also 8.Bg5!?) Re8 9.Ng3 Nf8 and now 10.d4!? or 10.Be3 (along Firouzja-Yi 2016).
B3) 7...Bg4 8.h3 Bh5! 9.Kh2!? (with the idea 10.g4) is critical but += according to the authors

If you play the Spanish4Knights with White or Black you probably do not come around buying this book!?

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Iv'e been following your discussion with interest and was wondering about the following combative Line:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6!? 5.d3 0-0

Does Khalifman now go for the wild stuff involving an early g4 or does he simply 0-0 and follow up in typical Lopez style with Ne2,Ng3.

Happy New Year,

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Reply #26 - 01/04/20 at 13:50:01
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Tauromachie wrote on 01/02/20 at 13:13:36:
I received my copy today too Smiley

Playing 4..Bc5 against the spanish 4 Knights myself this was basically the first line I checked.

They indeed go for 6.Nxe5 and after the complications white regains his piece and puts the pawn on f5 - which proves to be quite annoying for black !

The line I used to have in my files ended with equality after black plays ..c6 and ..d5. But after checking the lines in the book blacks task is not so simple after all..

White is planing to expand on the kingside by the means of (Kh1) Rae1-g4 and black lacks counterplay.
Ultimately I found a solution which works just fine for me and is not mentioned by the authors.

However.. I can imagine if you have the carefree mindset that after the seemingly equalizing and symmetrical ..c6 + ..d5 "this will be an easy game for black" you can be in for an unpleasant suprise.



Could you kindly briefly tell us what lines are suggested vs the non 2...Nc6 Defenses? Especially Philidor, Latvian Gambit, Petroff? Thx.
  
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Re: Squeezing 1e4 e5 by Khalifman/Soloviov
Reply #25 - 01/02/20 at 20:17:09
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tracke wrote on 01/02/20 at 08:01:34:
Well, Syzygy, after 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.0-0 c6 6.Bd3 Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 g6!? the circumstances have changed as Black has played (too) many pawn moves. Here White indeed plays 8.Bc4! d6 9.d3 Bg7 and now 10.h3 or 10.a4 (2 pages of analysis). Black cannot risk 8...b5?! 9.Bb3 a5? 10.d4! +/-


After 10. h3, however, it appears that Black can risk 10...b5 11. Bb3 a5, and after a continuation like 12. a4 b4 13. Nd1 O-O 14. Ne3 h6 Black's position is quite pleasant.

Stopping the queenside expansion with 10. a4 seems more critical, but after something like 10...a5 11. h3 O-O 12. Be3 Qe7 I would be tempted to claim equality, i.e. 13. d4 Nxe4! 14. Nxe4 d5. The position feels like a harmless Italian where Black has even managed to get away with a kingside fianchetto.
  
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Re: Squeezing 1e4 e5 by Khalifman/Soloviov
Reply #24 - 01/02/20 at 13:13:36
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I received my copy today too Smiley

Playing 4..Bc5 against the spanish 4 Knights myself this was basically the first line I checked.

They indeed go for 6.Nxe5 and after the complications white regains his piece and puts the pawn on f5 - which proves to be quite annoying for black !

The line I used to have in my files ended with equality after black plays ..c6 and ..d5. But after checking the lines in the book blacks task is not so simple after all..

White is planing to expand on the kingside by the means of (Kh1) Rae1-g4 and black lacks counterplay.
Ultimately I found a solution which works just fine for me and is not mentioned by the authors.

However.. I can imagine if you have the carefree mindset that after the seemingly equalizing and symmetrical ..c6 + ..d5 "this will be an easy game for black" you can be in for an unpleasant suprise.

  
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Reply #23 - 01/02/20 at 12:57:35
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I have a question. After Bb5 Bc5 do they play a Nxe5 system or something else?
  
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Reply #22 - 01/02/20 at 08:01:34
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Well, Syzygy, after 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.0-0 c6 6.Bd3 Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 g6!? the circumstances have changed as Black has played (too) many pawn moves. Here White indeed plays 8.Bc4! d6 9.d3 Bg7 and now 10.h3 or 10.a4 (2 pages of analysis). Black cannot risk 8...b5?! 9.Bb3 a5? 10.d4! +/-

I don’t want to give much more details here, maybe I‘ll answer one or two general questions to other systems.
While the overall claim of a clear += may be optimistic, it‘s certainly a good and interesting book with good strategical explanations and many little improvements. Btw, I‘m not defending the case of K/S and I‘m interested from the black side at least as much as from the white side.

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Reply #21 - 01/01/20 at 23:52:23
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How about 7...g6!? One idea I can find for Black is 8. Qg3 d6 9. Be2 h5! and now Black is the one expanding on the kingside!
  
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Reply #20 - 01/01/20 at 18:08:04
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Hello Tauromachie,

as K/S put it, 6.Bd3!? does not seem so natural (...) but playing in this way White avoids the trade of his Bishop and does not allow his opponent to advance with Tempo d7-d5, or b7-b5. It‘s just the „minimalistic“ approach, K/S DO NOT strive for a direct clash (...) after the first few moves.
After 6.Bd3!? should definitely exchange on f3, White takes back with the queen and intends Be2, d3, Qg3 and f4 in most cases when the Be2 prevents ...Nh5/g4.
K/S do not mention Gustafsson‘s 7...Bd6!? . Generally it seems a little bit risky for Black to put the dark-squared bishop to the queenside when White attacks on the dark squares of the kingside. But maybe it works concretely, I‘m not the man to refute Gustafsson‘s suggestion. Looking at something like 7.Qxf3 Bd6 8.Be2 Bc7 9.d3 d5 10.Qg3 0-0  I prefer White while it‘s certainly very close to equal.
Since yesterday I checked several „= to += positions“ from this book with SF10, and there’s a strong tendency that in these almost equal positions the engine likes White‘s position the more the deeper it looks: not much, but often raising from eg +0,08 to 0,23 after some time ...

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Reply #19 - 01/01/20 at 11:02:58
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Thank you for sharing tracke !

Is there a reason why they prefer 6.Bd3 - which looks a bit clumsy -  to the arguably more natural 6.Bc4 ? Or do they want to put the bishop in these structures in general on e2 in the end ?  Shocked

GM Gustafsson recommends both, in his series on chess24 and in his repertoire on chessable the simple solution "6.Bd3 Nxf3 7.Qxf3 Bd6!?" with ..Bc7 to come and later maybe d7-d5.
Is is mentioned ? I guess white sort of was threatening Qg3 and this is why black is playing ..d6 . If he can play Bd6 instead however, the bishop can later maybe become more active via c7-b6. At least this would be my reasoning.. As I mentioned Gustaffson just gives Bd6=
  
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Reply #18 - 12/31/19 at 20:26:17
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I got my copy this morning from Niggemann. Looks „practical“ and good!

I have to confess that I‘m no expert in these lines, neither from the white nor from the black side. So in the last hours I‘ve just cross-checked the book‘s lines superfically against some other resources ...
In the preface Khalifman characterizes his approach in this book as scientifically minimalistic: practical and riskless but always „on the bright side of the equality“. In fact the authors claim an overall += but of course in many positions it‘s not easy to decide if White‘s advantage is small, very small, microscopic or non-existent ...

Probably you want some lines, a few at least?!
A) Rubinstein: 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.0-0 c6!? 6.Bd3!? and after 6...Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 d6 8.Be2 Be7 9.d3 0-0 10.Qg3 there are 4 pages of analysis, obviously improving on some recent games of Andreikin.
B) Symmetrical mainline: 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.0-0 0-0 6.Lxc6!? dxc6 7.d3 (from now on White‘s play is simple and harmless but straight forward!)
B1) 7...Bxc3 8.bxc3 Bg4 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Qxf3 Qd6 (as recommended by Ntirlis2016 and Johnson2018) and now after both 11.Qe2 (Nimzowitsch-Vajda 1926) and 11.Qe3 (Kasperian-Korchnoi 1952) the book offers an improvement.
B2) 7...Nd7 8.Ne2 (also 8.Bg5!?) Re8 9.Ng3 Nf8 and now 10.d4!? or 10.Be3 (along Firouzja-Yi 2016).
B3) 7...Bg4 8.h3 Bh5! 9.Kh2!? (with the idea 10.g4) is critical but += according to the authors

If you play the Spanish4Knights with White or Black you probably do not come around buying this book!?

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