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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #20 - 12/15/19 at 19:41:36
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Virtually all lines playing as Black against 6. Ag5 needs the Black player to have good nerves, and probably just as important, good control over his blood pressure.

13. f5 0-0 in the main line could be dangerous if one forgets the analysis during a game. This line, probably more than any in the entire book, needs to be committed to memory. I used to play the Najdorf when i was younger, and often my black games in 6. Ag5 ended before move 25 due to forgetting theory.
  
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Reply #19 - 12/15/19 at 14:42:36
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7...Be7 still looks like less theory than the Poisoned Pawn, Gelfand, etc. Saying "it looks like Black is going to get mated at any second" makes me wonder if you've even read the chapters? I have it on Forward Chess and it all looks pretty reasonable to me. Any it's what the author has played. In any case, there are a million Najdorf books that cover other lines. Did we need a third book on the Poisoned Pawn?
  
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Reply #18 - 12/15/19 at 10:36:26
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Welcome back exi! Haven't seen you in these parts for a while.

The line seems fine.

It is less abstract than the PP I think. More rational. It always baffled me that all these writers kept recommending the PP. Which is probably the least practical of all openings to include in any amateur repertoire. It may well be, arguably, 'theoretically equal-ish' but is a right 'mare to try to thread one's way through.

And I really do not think the line given in this PtN book is so dangerous for black. Or is it? Doesn't seem so from the analysis in the book (yes, I bought on FC platform), but I admit I am no expert, just an interested passer-by.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #17 - 12/15/19 at 09:32:04
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I'm really struggling to understand why he'd ever pick Be7. I'm sure it's ultimately sound if Black plays the correct moves but it always looks like Black's about to get mated at any second and White isn't playing with the same risk as in the Poisioned Pawn. It even seems like it's just as much theory in some of the lines presented here. He'd probably avoid more theory with some early Nbd7 move instead. Can anyone really explain this to me? Am I missing some advantage of Be7 besides just the fact that the author is very familiar with it?
  
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Reply #16 - 12/13/19 at 06:41:40
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To my eye (actually Stockfish's eye) black survives the first onslaught. The resulting positions have some similarities with the 13.-Bxg5+ line - white has the more active and more compact position which is easier to play, but with perfect play black can hold.

The main line seems to be 13.-0-0 14.Rg1 b4 15.Nce2 e5 16.f6 ed 17.fe Re8 18. Nxd4 Ne5 19.Qf4

I've ordered the book. It is interesting to see what we can find in it.
  

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Reply #15 - 12/12/19 at 08:50:28
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I think it looks magnificent Smiley Scary yes, but oh so very principled and sicillian like.
  
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Reply #14 - 12/11/19 at 22:14:34
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dali wrote on 12/11/19 at 21:48:48:
what line of 6.Bg5 doesn't look scary?


I mean compared to other lines of 6. Ag5 even it looks scary.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #13 - 12/11/19 at 22:07:28
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Laramonet wrote on 12/11/19 at 20:40:10:
Can anyone who has the book comment on the Anti-Sicilian Appendix mentioned on the contents page of the sample ?


It is a discussion on what to chose against the Anti-Sicilians as a Najdorf player (not a full repertoire). The main topics are 2. Nc3 and the Moscow variation.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #12 - 12/11/19 at 21:48:48
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 12/10/19 at 22:14:31:
I dare say that this line looks scary for Black ever since I looked at this 15 years ago. I wonder what he recommends in the 13...0-0 line.


what line of 6.Bg5 doesn't look scary? There's always the Petroff!
  
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Can anyone who has the book comment on the Anti-Sicilian Appendix mentioned on the contents page of the sample ?
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
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I dare say that this line looks scary for Black ever since I looked at this 15 years ago. I wonder what he recommends in the 13...0-0 line.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #9 - 12/10/19 at 20:52:33
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Sorry , 
13.-Bg5, -Nc5, or -0-0
  

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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #8 - 12/10/19 at 12:18:58
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Lauri Torni wrote on 12/10/19 at 08:15:54:
fling wrote on 12/06/19 at 15:53:51:
I have bought it, couldn't help myself! I normally play the Kan, and have been looking at the Sveshnikov, but really want to learn the Najdorf as well, lol. Haven't had a look at the details yet, but I like the idea with mixed lines and whole annotated games.


Could you tell what is the line against 6.Bg5?

6.-e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5  Nd7 13. f5 and now what?

13.-0-0 or 13.-Bb7?

13...Bb7 is a blunder there, so weird question
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #7 - 12/10/19 at 08:45:24
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Lauri Torni wrote on 12/10/19 at 08:15:54:
fling wrote on 12/06/19 at 15:53:51:
I have bought it, couldn't help myself! I normally play the Kan, and have been looking at the Sveshnikov, but really want to learn the Najdorf as well, lol. Haven't had a look at the details yet, but I like the idea with mixed lines and whole annotated games.


Could you tell what is the line against 6.Bg5?

6.-e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5  Nd7 13. f5 and now what?

13.-0-0 or 13.-Bb7?


13...0-0
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #6 - 12/10/19 at 08:15:54
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fling wrote on 12/06/19 at 15:53:51:
I have bought it, couldn't help myself! I normally play the Kan, and have been looking at the Sveshnikov, but really want to learn the Najdorf as well, lol. Haven't had a look at the details yet, but I like the idea with mixed lines and whole annotated games.


Could you tell what is the line against 6.Bg5?

6.-e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5  Nd7 13. f5 and now what?

13.-0-0 or 13.-Bb7?
  

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