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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #30 - 01/21/20 at 20:34:21
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IM_Serious wrote on 12/18/19 at 00:55:25:
The Moscow Variation is 6 pages of analysis on 3...Nd7.

For 3...Bd7 the reader is referred to Ftacnik, for 3...Nc6 to Kotronias.


I think that Najdorf players would have to be prepared for many of these anti-Sicilians instead of White aquiescing with 3. d4.

Which sometimes makes me wonder if playing the Najdorf (or any other Sicilian) is even worth it anymore since even elite GMs play anti-Sicilians, e.g. Carlsen and Caruana both.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #29 - 01/21/20 at 19:27:27
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As a confirmed Caro Kann player, I must confess I have succumbed to the temptation to buy this book. I put it down to trying to play the Najdorf when I was first getting into the game, driven by Fischer hero worship (a not uncommon comment I know). Anyway, I came to my senses and played the Open Games for years, before getting into the Caro. I still think the Caro will remain my main defence but I have always been tempted to try the Najdorf, at least in friendlies or on the internet. This book seemed to hit all the right notes e.g. ...,e5 whenever possible, the "sensible" main line against Bg5 and the stated intention to try to "teach" the Najdorf to it's readers. I'm impressed at first glance and have scanned out the basic repertoire in ChessBase. I intend to use it, read based on games played and if the worst it does is sharpen my tactical ability and feel for the initiative, I will be very satisfied. I'll also probably play better in the sharp Caro main line with Bf5 !
  
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Reply #28 - 12/24/19 at 22:49:54
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Reply #27 - 12/18/19 at 06:14:36
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 12/18/19 at 04:42:50:
Does Vigorito's main line against 6.Bg5 have any forced drawing lines or does he advocate unclear lines where either side can play for a win?


White can force a draw in at least one line.
  
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Reply #26 - 12/18/19 at 04:42:50
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Does Vigorito's main line against 6.Bg5 have any forced drawing lines or does he advocate unclear lines where either side can play for a win?
  
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Reply #25 - 12/18/19 at 00:55:25
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Laramonet wrote on 12/11/19 at 20:40:10:
Can anyone who has the book comment on the Anti-Sicilian Appendix mentioned on the contents page of the sample ?

After 536 pages of Najdorf analysis, the book concludes with an 8-page bonus.

The Appendix starts off referring the reader to:

Grandmaster Repertoire 6A  by Kotronias which is a 500-page book on just anti-Sicilians, and

Grandmaster Repertoire 6 by Ftacnik which also includes anti-Sicilian coverage.

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So why is this section even here?
Well, I have played the Sicilian for a long time, so I have formed my own opinions and I figured I'd share them here.

2.Nc3 Trickery is a one-page discussion, reminiscent of Transpo Tricks by Soltis.

The Moscow Variation is 6 pages of analysis on 3...Nd7.

For 3...Bd7 the reader is referred to Ftacnik, for 3...Nc6 to Kotronias.
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #24 - 12/17/19 at 23:55:44
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Syzygy wrote on 12/17/19 at 07:06:43:
On a different note, does anyone know what the book recommends against the fashionable 6. Bd3 variation?


From the introduction:

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In general, we will play 6...e5 when we can, to get a ‘true’ Najdorf structure.
The main exceptions are 6.Bc4 and 6.Bg5 ... In these cases, we will play 6...e6


  
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Reply #23 - 12/17/19 at 23:50:13
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Bibs wrote on 12/15/19 at 10:36:26:
Welcome back exi! Haven't seen you in these parts for a while.

The line seems fine.

It is less abstract than the PP I think. More rational. It always baffled me that all these writers kept recommending the PP. Which is probably the least practical of all openings to include in any amateur repertoire. It may well be, arguably, 'theoretically equal-ish' but is a right 'mare to try to thread one's way through.

And I really do not think the line given in this PtN book is so dangerous for black. Or is it? Doesn't seem so from the analysis in the book (yes, I bought on FC platform), but I admit I am no expert, just an interested passer-by.



Thanks! I'm more of a lurker now.

At my level of play, I don't expect my opponents to know all the PP theory anyway so it hasn't been an issue. White is playing with even more risk than Black so I think it's a fair line. The forcing and initiative seeking play also makes sense to me. A lot of moves you can just eliminate on principle. I guess the biggest problem with it is that maybe someone could force a draw as White but I've never seen that.

Anyway, I don't have the book yet and I own more Najdorf books than I've actually read. Is there a particular line here that gets far better coverage than in other books? Basically, what's the selling point compared to most of the ones in the last year or so?
  
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Reply #22 - 12/17/19 at 07:06:43
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On a different note, does anyone know what the book recommends against the fashionable 6. Bd3 variation?
  
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Reply #21 - 12/16/19 at 14:39:24
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Bibs wrote on 12/15/19 at 10:36:26:
Welcome back exi! Haven't seen you in these parts for a while.

The line seems fine.

It is less abstract than the PP I think. More rational. It always baffled me that all these writers kept recommending the PP. Which is probably the least practical of all openings to include in any amateur repertoire. It may well be, arguably, 'theoretically equal-ish' but is a right 'mare to try to thread one's way through.

And I really do not think the line given in this PtN book is so dangerous for black. Or is it? Doesn't seem so from the analysis in the book (yes, I bought on FC platform), but I admit I am no expert, just an interested passer-by.


I am not an expert at all, status same as you (and not as strong player). But I have looked at the line a bit now, and it doesn't look like much fun for Black. I'd say that there is an improvement on the analyzed game in the side note, on move 22 (has been played in one corr-game before). I doubt that too many will find this, but the resulting variation looks rather thankless for Black. Sure, the knight on e5 is well placed, but to me it seems like White is playing for two results here.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/15/19 at 19:41:36
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Virtually all lines playing as Black against 6. Ag5 needs the Black player to have good nerves, and probably just as important, good control over his blood pressure.

13. f5 0-0 in the main line could be dangerous if one forgets the analysis during a game. This line, probably more than any in the entire book, needs to be committed to memory. I used to play the Najdorf when i was younger, and often my black games in 6. Ag5 ended before move 25 due to forgetting theory.
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #19 - 12/15/19 at 14:42:36
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7...Be7 still looks like less theory than the Poisoned Pawn, Gelfand, etc. Saying "it looks like Black is going to get mated at any second" makes me wonder if you've even read the chapters? I have it on Forward Chess and it all looks pretty reasonable to me. Any it's what the author has played. In any case, there are a million Najdorf books that cover other lines. Did we need a third book on the Poisoned Pawn?
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #18 - 12/15/19 at 10:36:26
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Welcome back exi! Haven't seen you in these parts for a while.

The line seems fine.

It is less abstract than the PP I think. More rational. It always baffled me that all these writers kept recommending the PP. Which is probably the least practical of all openings to include in any amateur repertoire. It may well be, arguably, 'theoretically equal-ish' but is a right 'mare to try to thread one's way through.

And I really do not think the line given in this PtN book is so dangerous for black. Or is it? Doesn't seem so from the analysis in the book (yes, I bought on FC platform), but I admit I am no expert, just an interested passer-by.
  
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Reply #17 - 12/15/19 at 09:32:04
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I'm really struggling to understand why he'd ever pick Be7. I'm sure it's ultimately sound if Black plays the correct moves but it always looks like Black's about to get mated at any second and White isn't playing with the same risk as in the Poisioned Pawn. It even seems like it's just as much theory in some of the lines presented here. He'd probably avoid more theory with some early Nbd7 move instead. Can anyone really explain this to me? Am I missing some advantage of Be7 besides just the fact that the author is very familiar with it?
  
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Re: Playing the Najdorf - Vigorito
Reply #16 - 12/13/19 at 06:41:40
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To my eye (actually Stockfish's eye) black survives the first onslaught. The resulting positions have some similarities with the 13.-Bxg5+ line - white has the more active and more compact position which is easier to play, but with perfect play black can hold.

The main line seems to be 13.-0-0 14.Rg1 b4 15.Nce2 e5 16.f6 ed 17.fe Re8 18. Nxd4 Ne5 19.Qf4

I've ordered the book. It is interesting to see what we can find in it.
  

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