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Re: King's Gambit unamed variation
Reply #5 - 01/15/20 at 18:04:19
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RoleyPoley wrote on 01/15/20 at 17:05:45:
Gallagher doesnt appear to have covered the line in his book, just one game with 2...d6 which he says is likely to be played by Philidor devotees and white has no difficulty in reaching a pleasant position (example he gives has black play Nd7 and Ngf6.)


Databases have plenty of games on record, but hardly any played by elite players.

I doubt there's much difficulty for White in reaching a pleasant position, but what's the optimum and how does Black best defend?

Interesting thought that a Vienna move order is also possible and that authors on the Vienna may cover it in footnotes.
  
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Re: King's Gambit unamed variation
Reply #4 - 01/15/20 at 17:05:45
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RdC wrote on 01/15/20 at 09:13:59:
If you happen to be watching chess played at the 1600 level and you see a Kings Gambit punted, more often than not Black will just defend with 2. .. d6 . If 3. Nf3, Black's idea could be to transpose to the Fischer Defence by 3. .. exf4, but at that level it usually isn't. The game will probably continue on the lines of 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Bg4 6. d3. Black has to be alert to fxe5, Bxf7+, Nxe5+ tricks, but giving up the white square Bishop with Bg4xf3 defuses this. It is after all a mirror of similar play in the Queens Gambit.

Checking this against engines indicates that they have a higher opinion of Black's play than conventional wisdom. Has any author written up any serious study of best play for both sides?

I found this happening to me a lot when i first started playing online just over a year ago.

Gallagher doesnt appear to have covered the line in his book, just one game with 2...d6 which he says is likely to be played by Philidor devotees and white has no difficulty in reaching a pleasant position (example he gives has black play Nd7 and Ngf6.)

Shaw's book gives 3...Nc6 4. Bb5 Bg4 5.0-0 exf4 6. d4 a6 7. Bxc6+ bxc 8. Bxf4 Nf6 9. Nc3 (+=). Kamsky - Mamedyarov internet blitz 2006.

Again, his main analysis for 2...d6 is against a philidor set up.

I didnt see it in my book by Neil McDonald.
  

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Re: King's Gambit unamed variation
Reply #3 - 01/15/20 at 14:49:51
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RE 4.Bb5 "computer engines tend not to agree", could you possibly be more vague?

The only other place I recall that dealt with 2...d6 seriously was Thimann (1974) King's Gambit. I haven't seen this book in over 25 years, but in the last game of the book Thimann said he was only able to find a slight advantage after 2...d6.

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Erm, not awake yet, I just remembered Ovetchkin / Soloviov (2015) The Modern Vienna Game thoroughly covers 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 and 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 d6 where white follows up with f2-f4. Maybe I will remember some other sources...
  
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Re: King's Gambit unamed variation
Reply #2 - 01/15/20 at 13:47:35
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 01/15/20 at 13:12:12:
The move order you gave 3.Nf3 Nc6 is inaccurate as white gets to play 4.Bb5 with a big edge.


Computer engines tend not to agree, as Black can play .. Bd7 and White doesn't have the Bishop on the dangerous for Black a2 to g8 diagonal.

Zude and Hickl thought it worth analysing. Any other sightings?
  
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Re: King's Gambit unamed variation
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Zude / Hickl (2017) Play 1…d6 Against Everything cover 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d6 over several pages. I will have to check if they give ...Bc8-g4xf3 ideas.

The move order you gave 3.Nf3 Nc6 is inaccurate as white gets to play 4.Bb5 with a big edge. They give 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Be7. Incidentally 3.Nc3 avoids the Fischer Defence as 3.Nc3 exf4 4.Bc4 is a good Bishop's Gambit.
  
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King's Gambit unamed variation
01/15/20 at 09:13:59
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If you happen to be watching chess played at the 1600 level and you see a Kings Gambit punted, more often than not Black will just defend with 2. .. d6 . If 3. Nf3, Black's idea could be to transpose to the Fischer Defence by 3. .. exf4, but at that level it usually isn't. The game will probably continue on the lines of 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Bg4 6. d3. Black has to be alert to fxe5, Bxf7+, Nxe5+ tricks, but giving up the white square Bishop with Bg4xf3 defuses this. It is after all a mirror of similar play in the Queens Gambit.

Checking this against engines indicates that they have a higher opinion of Black's play than conventional wisdom. Has any author written up any serious study of best play for both sides?
  
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