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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #13 - 01/28/20 at 20:21:52
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maņico_feroz wrote on 01/24/20 at 08:17:01:
kylemeister wrote on 01/23/20 at 21:26:46:
[quote author=754C5954380 link=1579203144/10#10 date=1579810057]

Well put. I wonder if it is the most played on gm level these days? Hardly see the French played by the top gm's.
This reminds me of a bit of history.  Back in the 1990s, ECO had that line (3...c5 4. ed Qxd5 5. Ngf3 cd 6. Bc4 Qd6 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. Nb3 Nc6 9. Nbxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4) as leading to +=. John Watson wrote something like:  if White could really count on getting such a low-risk edge, 10. Qxd4 would be very common in high-level games, but it isn't.  He gave 10...Qxd4 11. Nxd4 Bd7 12. Be2 Rc8 (not mentioned in ECO) 13. Bf3 Bc5 14. Nb3 Bb6 15. c3 Bc6 =.


Yes, this is EXACTLY the recommendation against Qd4 line in the "deep dive" DVD. 

In general, for black, i find all this c5+Qxd5 tarrasch lines to be hard to meet against stronger players. White has an easy play witch attacking chances if you missplace some piece and a possible dangerous 3 vs 2 endgame.

I understand this is the GM line because is very solid but, for amateur level, i have never liked it.

  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #12 - 01/24/20 at 08:17:01
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kylemeister wrote on 01/23/20 at 21:26:46:
[quote author=754C5954380 link=1579203144/10#10 date=1579810057]
This reminds me of a bit of history.  Back in the 1990s, ECO had that line (3...c5 4. ed Qxd5 5. Ngf3 cd 6. Bc4 Qd6 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. Nb3 Nc6 9. Nbxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4) as leading to +=. John Watson wrote something like:  if White could really count on getting such a low-risk edge, 10. Qxd4 would be very common in high-level games, but it isn't.  He gave 10...Qxd4 11. Nxd4 Bd7 12. Be2 Rc8 (not mentioned in ECO) 13. Bf3 Bc5 14. Nb3 Bb6 15. c3 Bc6 =.


Yes, this is EXACTLY the recommendation against Qd4 line in the "deep dive" DVD. 

In general, for black, i find all this c5+Qxd5 tarrasch lines to be hard to meet against stronger players. White has an easy play witch attacking chances if you missplace some piece and a possible dangerous 3 vs 2 endgame.

I understand this is the GM line because is very solid but, for amateur level, i have never liked it.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #11 - 01/23/20 at 21:26:46
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Mtal wrote on 01/23/20 at 20:07:37:
Yes about the tarrash, I know after black plays pawn takes d4 in those qxd5 lines there is an option for white to take with the queen. Every book I read says black has no problem, I would like to see why (btw I hate that so many people are giving qxd5 in the tarrash).

This reminds me of a bit of history.  Back in the 1990s, ECO had that line (3...c5 4. ed Qxd5 5. Ngf3 cd 6. Bc4 Qd6 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. Nb3 Nc6 9. Nbxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4) as leading to +=. John Watson wrote something like:  if White could really count on getting such a low-risk edge, 10. Qxd4 would be very common in high-level games, but it isn't.  He gave 10...Qxd4 11. Nxd4 Bd7 12. Be2 Rc8 (not mentioned in ECO) 13. Bf3 Bc5 14. Nb3 Bb6 15. c3 Bc6 =.
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #10 - 01/23/20 at 20:07:37
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maņico_feroz wrote on 01/22/20 at 11:29:42:
Regarding other Lemos work ...

I have had the chance of studying Lemos DVDs - he has two differente ones, the latest being the "deep dive" - about the french defense and:

PROS: well explained, strategy and concepts are detailed, lines are chosen to be solid, tested and don't require memorization (well, not much).

CONS: always ... there are holes in the repertoire, sometimes he chooses the easiest way or omits some of the sidelines you will end up facing in practice.  Also some important details are missing sometimes.

I think this can be applied to other DVDs (kings indian defense as well, for a start, the Qe8 line given against the mains white setup is a one-shot line basically)

Examples (deep dive french)

- open tarrasch (e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5): in the main line, no mention for white playing the plan b3+Bb2. What about a few words about the 3vs2 endgames?

- e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6: i don't imagine myself playing this over and over against 2400 opposition. There is no alternative in deep dive for Nc6. At this point, i would suggest having a look too at his previous DVD, "crash white with the french defense", where other more classic alternatives are given.

- Omission of gambits or sidelines in the advance variation, what about a direct e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Qg4? What about wing gambit? And so on.

- Omitted KIA and similar stuff (e4 e6 Qe2, e4 e6 b3,...).

Basically, i see it as a rework of his previous DVD.

IMHO If you already play the french you will find interesting lines and explainations that can add some light or update your knowledge to your current repertoire (for example in the e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 line he suggests a fast Nbd7+e5, good because the main line is complex and this is more intuitive), but this is NOT a repertoire.

It requires reviewing the lines looking for the omitted parts. It for sure requires completing it with other sources.

Anyway, after all, it is worth the time for sure if you are a french addict. The given material will help you to check your repertoire and learn/review some interesting plans as well.

So, in summary, i would expect something int this very line from the new book as well.


I have the DVD too and agree. He explains something's really well. For instance I usually playf6 vs the advance and got something out of his advanced videos since I do not play those lines. I thought he did an excellent job on that part.

I also would not play Nc6. I have Dangerous weapons french and it is covered, ok maybe I never really went over it, but thought it was ok. Started watching the Nc6 videos and just was turned off.
I was just expecting something else from the positions (I thought a lot of ooo happens for some reason)

Yes about the tarrash, I know after black plays pawn takes d4 in those qxd5 lines there is an option for white to take with the queen. Every book I read says black has no problem, I would like to see why (btw I hate that so many people are giving qxd5 in the tarrash).

Oh, and how can you do a french defence video with no KIA in it. Like what makes you just forget something like that.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #9 - 01/22/20 at 22:16:14
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MW wrote on 01/22/20 at 18:46:32:
I have never played 3...Nc6 but I suspect the pawn structures and plans for black would be similar in both lines and it would (to me at least) make sense to build a repertoire around a common theme. 


They are different.

Nd2 allows plans based on c3 to hold the center (Nb3+c3, Be2+Nf1-e3 with an eventual c3 and so on). However, Nc3 doesn't. Structures, plans, everything is different.

Anyway, i would have them as i surprise line, but not as my main repertoire choice. IMHO, you need to know how to play the classic lines before entering this new modern ones.

Many of the lines, as it happens with the e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3/Nd2 Be7 lines, are just a transposition to another lines. Thus, it makes no sense to building up your rep based on this modern theory.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #8 - 01/22/20 at 19:47:45
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MW wrote on 01/22/20 at 18:46:32:
If the book does recommend 3....Nc6 against white's 3 Nc3 one would think it would also recommend 3....Nc6 against white's 3 Nd2.

I have never played 3...Nc6 but I suspect the pawn structures and plans for black would be similar in both lines and it would (to me at least) make sense to build a repertoire around a common theme. 


For a Move by Move book, I think that recommending that instead of the Classical or Winawer would be idiotic. To play that line I think requires knowing a bit about the French in the first place to play this successfully. Not to mention, it is just theoretically inferior to both.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #7 - 01/22/20 at 18:46:32
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If the book does recommend 3....Nc6 against white's 3 Nc3 one would think it would also recommend 3....Nc6 against white's 3 Nd2.

I have never played 3...Nc6 but I suspect the pawn structures and plans for black would be similar in both lines and it would (to me at least) make sense to build a repertoire around a common theme.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #6 - 01/22/20 at 11:29:42
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Regarding other Lemos work ...

I have had the chance of studying Lemos DVDs - he has two differente ones, the latest being the "deep dive" - about the french defense and:

PROS: well explained, strategy and concepts are detailed, lines are chosen to be solid, tested and don't require memorization (well, not much).

CONS: always ... there are holes in the repertoire, sometimes he chooses the easiest way or omits some of the sidelines you will end up facing in practice.  Also some important details are missing sometimes.

I think this can be applied to other DVDs (kings indian defense as well, for a start, the Qe8 line given against the mains white setup is a one-shot line basically)

Examples (deep dive french)

- open tarrasch (e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5): in the main line, no mention for white playing the plan b3+Bb2. What about a few words about the 3vs2 endgames?

- e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6: i don't imagine myself playing this over and over against 2400 opposition. There is no alternative in deep dive for Nc6. At this point, i would suggest having a look too at his previous DVD, "crash white with the french defense", where other more classic alternatives are given.

- Omission of gambits or sidelines in the advance variation, what about a direct e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Qg4? What about wing gambit? And so on.

- Omitted KIA and similar stuff (e4 e6 Qe2, e4 e6 b3,...).

Basically, i see it as a rework of his previous DVD.

IMHO If you already play the french you will find interesting lines and explainations that can add some light or update your knowledge to your current repertoire (for example in the e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 line he suggests a fast Nbd7+e5, good because the main line is complex and this is more intuitive), but this is NOT a repertoire.

It requires reviewing the lines looking for the omitted parts. It for sure requires completing it with other sources.

Anyway, after all, it is worth the time for sure if you are a french addict. The given material will help you to check your repertoire and learn/review some interesting plans as well.

So, in summary, i would expect something int this very line from the new book as well.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #5 - 01/21/20 at 20:13:16
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Mtal wrote on 01/16/20 at 19:32:24:
I saw on the everyman website that there is a new French defence move by move coming out by Damian Lemos. Anyone knows what it is one? I believe there already 2, and older one on the winawer and one on the classical. Thanks.


Oh just an FYI, that dvd is on Nc6 when white plays Nc3 on move 3. I am not a fan of those lines (though I try it vs the Tarrash now and then).
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #4 - 01/17/20 at 17:28:59
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Mtal wrote on 01/16/20 at 19:32:24:
I saw on the everyman website that there is a new French defence move by move coming out by Damian Lemos. Anyone knows what it is one? I believe there already 2, and older one on the winawer and one on the classical. Thanks.


This same author also has a recent French Deep Dive DVD for black, 7 hrs+ I think. He is an expert in the french, so unlike a lot of his other stuff this should be useful.
  

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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #3 - 01/17/20 at 09:20:21
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 01/16/20 at 22:35:25:
I do not know much about the guy except that he is fairly well-known in Spanish-speaking chess circles, especially in South America. I think that he played a lot in Argentina a few years ago, but now I have no idea what he does.

I remember having his Fianchetto for White book. I think it was green. I thought that it was just not complete enough for my taste, so not sure how this one will be.


He sells DVDs (either his old ones, or newer ones from other authors )through iChess.

I think he has played one or two tournments in the UK or Isle of Man in the last year.

His writing style may be better suited to a Move by Move book than to a more detailed repertoire book. However, i think he has been criticised in the past by regulars here about gaps in both his books and dvds.

I would have preferred a different author, but i suppose it not being Lakdawala is a bonus.
  

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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #2 - 01/16/20 at 22:35:25
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I do not know much about the guy except that he is fairly well-known in Spanish-speaking chess circles, especially in South America. I think that he played a lot in Argentina a few years ago, but now I have no idea what he does.

I remember having his Fianchetto for White book. I think it was green. I thought that it was just not complete enough for my taste, so not sure how this one will be.
  
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Re: A new french defence move by move
Reply #1 - 01/16/20 at 21:48:22
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Oof, I'm not such a fan. I found move-order problems and holes in his Fianchetto against ...g6 and Queen's Gambit books. One of his favorite comments to his offbeat choices: "I really like this move." --I should hope so!
  
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A new french defence move by move
01/16/20 at 19:32:24
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I saw on the everyman website that there is a new French defence move by move coming out by Damian Lemos. Anyone knows what it is one? I believe there already 2, and older one on the winawer and one on the classical. Thanks.
  
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