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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #26 - 05/01/21 at 12:52:30
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Hi.

I have read through Negi's book a lot this weekend. Apart from becoming bothered with how much Alekhine and Scandinavian lines/theory exists nowadays it was enjoyable.

Must say his 150 attack coverage in the Pirc was very enjoyable to follow. Especially the c6 Pirc chapter. Felt like I learned a great deal and also stuff that's gonna help picking lines as black.

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #25 - 10/17/20 at 02:07:33
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Hi.

Come to think of it...

The fact that you basically will be able to play the
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4. Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Qd2 Nc6
Line via the Modern move order i.e.:
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3 Nf6 5.Nc3 0-0!? 6.Qd2 Nc6

Might actually somewhat explain Negi not going for 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 against the Modern. Did not think about that previously at all.

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #24 - 10/17/20 at 01:46:22
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Hi.

Okay. I have the Negi book. Random observations:

- Same colour scheme as Negis volume one book on french, Caro and Philidor.
- Pages 244-393 is Pirc and Modern, meaning a heck of a lot of stuff to look at for people like me.
- He is obviously very serious about move orders and stuff.
- I just cross-checked with Tiger (2014) so far. As I suspected somewhat beforehand Negi has the poor taste to try and challenge black both in the Modern proper and in probably the most critical of Tiger's Pirc lines i.e.:

(Tiger order p.242) 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3 Nf6! 5.Nc3 a6 6.Qd2 b5 7.Bh6 0-0 8.Bd3 Nc6! 9.Bxg7 Kxg7 10.e5 dxe5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.0-0-0 b4 13.Rhe1
(Negi's order p.334) 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4. Be3 Bg7
4...a6 5.Nf3 Bg7 seems more logical to have as mainline to me but ok it transposes. The reason is I doubt many black players would want 4..Bg7 5.Qd2 a6 6.Bh6 where arguably white gets to suck a lot of dynamism out and get some more or less risk-free pull after 6...Bxh6 7.Qxh6.
5.Qd2 a6 6.Nf3 b5 7.Bh6 0-0 8.Bd3 Nc6! 9.Bxg7 Kxg7 10.e5 dxe5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.0-0-0 b4 13.Rhe1

- Seems like Negi goes in hard to prevent black reaching particular Nc6 without a6 setups. Basically the idea looks to be that when black plays Nc6 white either should not have gone Nf3 yet (so he can reply Nge2 instead) or if the knight does go to f3 it should be after black went a6. Then at least white knows any counterplay black may try for with his Nc6 move will come after black has spent some time with a6. Obviously Nc6 still a very viable move in many position but Negi always has ideas how to counter it.
Concretely the line:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4. Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3
Is avoided in favour of 5.Qd2 I guess because
5...0-0 6.Qd2 Nc6
Is precisely that situation where black has got in Nc6 combined with 0-0 and white has gone Nf3.

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #23 - 10/08/20 at 13:06:40
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Hi.

This likely means Negi has come up with some line against:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 a6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be3 Nf6
As well. If so that could be problematic for black.
The main line there previously has been 6.Qd2 b5 asfaik; although there are alternatives so Negi may have found something somewhere.

Edit: Wow. seeing the moves in the game maybe this also works against various move orders.
  
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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #22 - 10/08/20 at 12:53:41
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Hi.

Wintermondnacht wrote on 10/07/20 at 06:21:50:
I got the book of Negi yesterday and his recommendation against Tiger`s Modern is 4. Be3 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. Bd3 and against both 6...Nd7 and 6...Bb7 7. h4!. He thinks that against both black possibilities 7. e5 is not leading to a white advantage.

Cool suggestion. I notice some testing having been done. Guessing they improve somewhere. Not many games at all with this 7.h4 idea, both after 6...Bb7 and 6...Nd7.

[Event "13. LSS Anni P-00019"]
[Site "LSS"]
[Date "2019.04.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Greet, Andrew"]
[Black "Bujdak, Pavel"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B06"]
[WhiteElo "2357"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[PlyCount "47"]
[EventDate "2019.04.23"]

{[%evp 0,47,17,13,84,71,72,72,97,97,87,73,72,76,54,19,27,42,52,24,28,19,23,24,
24,29,25,20,16,16,42,23,26,16,11,-23,16,16,16,16,16,23,16,16,15,18,18,24,24,24]
} 1. e4 d6 2. d4 g6 3. Nc3 a6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Be3 b5 6. Bd3 Bb7 7. h4 Nd7 8. h5
Ngf6 9. h6 Bf8 10. Qe2 b4 11. Nd5 Nxd5 12. exd5 Bxd5 13. a3 bxa3 14. Rxa3 e6
15. Bxa6 Rb8 16. O-O Rxb2 17. Bb5 Bxf3 18. Bxd7+ Qxd7 19. Qxf3 Rb8 20. Ra8 Rxa8
21. Qxa8+ Qd8 22. Qc6+ Qd7 23. Qa8+ Qd8 24. Qc6+ 1/2-1/2

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #21 - 10/07/20 at 06:21:50
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I got the book of Negi yesterday and his recommendation against Tiger`s Modern is 4. Be3 a6 5. Nf3 b5 6. Bd3 and against both 6...Nd7 and 6...Bb7 7. h4!. He thinks that against both black possibilities 7. e5 is not leading to a white advantage.
  
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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #20 - 09/10/20 at 19:46:31
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doefmat wrote on 09/08/20 at 14:48:36:
... I would like to learn some lines against it. Or is there a simpler route?


doefmat wrote on 09/10/20 at 05:33:21:
When I tried to learn some lines against it in the past I had trouble with move orders and didn't have any idea what to do.

The absolute simplest thing is to start playing it with black -- with suitable preparation of course. That can go one of two ways. Either your opponents show you what is wrong with it, and you can then use this information as white. Or they don't, and you have a new and viable black weapon.
  
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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #19 - 09/10/20 at 05:33:21
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TopNotch wrote on 09/08/20 at 20:32:25:
doefmat wrote on 09/08/20 at 14:48:36:
Would this be a good reference resource for a club player? I absolutely hate to play against the Scandinavian so I would like to learn some lines against it. Or is there a simpler route?


That's a curious admission that I've heard echoed by others also, would you care to elaborate further.


I think it is purely psychological. One aspect of it is that you should punish a 'bad' opening like this. Which I know is a bad mindset. I think I expect that I get a very easy to play and an advantageous position against it, and many wins. While I know that at my level, openings don't really matter that much.
The other aspect is the 'Team Scandi' John Bartholomew fanboy thing. He made this opening very popular.

And for a minor defence there are quite a few lines, some can be tricky and tactical. When I tried to learn some lines against it in the past I had trouble with move orders and didn't have any idea what to do.
  

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #18 - 09/08/20 at 20:32:25
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doefmat wrote on 09/08/20 at 14:48:36:
Would this be a good reference resource for a club player? I absolutely hate to play against the Scandinavian so I would like to learn some lines against it. Or is there a simpler route?


That's a curious admission that I've heard echoed by others also, would you care to elaborate further.
  

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Reply #17 - 09/08/20 at 14:58:19
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doefmat wrote on 09/08/20 at 14:48:36:
Would this be a good reference resource for a club player?

The excerpt here http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/1e4vsMinorDefences-excerpt.pdf includes the bulk of the chapter on the 3...Qd6 Scandinavian, so you can perhaps get a sense from that as to how well you think the book might suit your needs.
  
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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #16 - 09/08/20 at 14:48:36
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Would this be a good reference resource for a club player? I absolutely hate to play against the Scandinavian so I would like to learn some lines against it. Or is there a simpler route?
  

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Reply #15 - 09/01/20 at 16:13:01
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5.Bd2, thank you for pointing that out.
  
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Reply #14 - 08/31/20 at 00:49:46
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grandpatzer wrote on 08/30/20 at 19:01:53:
Great news, I'll certainly buy this book, it seems to me that Negi is covering very solid lines for White. One thing: from the PDF I see an original way to meet the ...Qa5 Scandinavian, 4.Bd2 and, after 4...Bg4, 5.f3. Is it a novelty or what?


4.Bd2 is impossible.
  

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Reply #13 - 08/30/20 at 19:31:00
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grandpatzer wrote on 08/30/20 at 19:01:53:
One thing: from the PDF I see an original way to meet the ...Qa5 Scandinavian, 4.Bd2 and, after 4...Bg4, 5.f3. Is it a novelty or what?

What.  Smiley  Eric Prié wrote about it in NIC Yearbook in 2007 ...
  
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Reply #12 - 08/30/20 at 19:01:53
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Great news, I'll certainly buy this book, it seems to me that Negi is covering very solid lines for White. One thing: from the PDF I see an original way to meet the ...Qa5 Scandinavian, 4.Bd2 and, after 4...Bg4, 5.f3. Is it a novelty or what?
  
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Reply #11 - 08/20/20 at 22:56:35
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Great news! Will be a must buy for many, including me.

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Reply #10 - 08/20/20 at 14:57:08
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Quality Chess posted an update on their blog. The book will be released September 30th and you can find an expert here: http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/1e4vsMinorDefences-excerpt.pdf.
  
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Reply #9 - 03/22/20 at 20:22:46
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TopNotch wrote on 03/20/20 at 16:17:27:
Thanks for the info, it looks like your post really put the kibosh on this thread, still it will be interesting to see how Negi treats Tiger's Modern.

Indeed.

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Reply #8 - 03/20/20 at 16:17:27
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/19/20 at 02:51:45:
Hello.

No anti-Modern!
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3
Recommended. I asked on the QC blog.

I am happy. This move often leads to rich positions and who better to explain these than Negi?

Have a nice day.

Thanks for the info, it looks like your post really put the kibosh on this thread, still it will be interesting to see how Negi treats Tiger's Modern.
  

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Reply #7 - 03/19/20 at 02:51:45
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Hello.

No anti-Modern!
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3
Recommended. I asked on the QC blog.

I am happy. This move often leads to rich positions and who better to explain these than Negi?

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Reply #6 - 02/10/20 at 20:13:16
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Hi.

Ok. Here we go. I made a separate thread on:
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3

https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1581367383/0#0

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Reply #5 - 02/05/20 at 20:18:34
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Heya.

Confused_by_Theory wrote on 02/04/20 at 13:41:27:
Hi.

Yea. 4...Nd7 comes to mind as the most natural alternative. I wonder if there is still some known way to avoid a KID after
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3 Nd7 5.c4
However. Both e5 and Ngf6 seem like very natural moves to play at some point. Will have to check.

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I'll make a separate thread in 1...e4 Modern section as this is not related to the Negi book. It would be highly interesting if he goes for this anti-Modern 3.Nf3, 4.Be3 move order though.

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Reply #4 - 02/04/20 at 13:53:30
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Hi.

4...c5 5.dxc5 Bxb2 6.Nbd2 Bxa1 7.Qxa1 is a pretty cool blitz line btw. Basically trying to show why development might matter. I think I've seen it somewhere earlier but I suppose black can just not take the exchange (6...dxc5) and then it might not be totally clear if the exchanges of pawns really favours white.

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Reply #3 - 02/04/20 at 13:41:27
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Yea. 4...Nd7 comes to mind as the most natural alternative. I wonder if there is still some known way to avoid a KID after
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3 Nd7 5.c4
However. Both e5 and Ngf6 seem like very natural moves to play at som point. Will have to check.

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Reply #2 - 02/03/20 at 20:56:51
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 02/03/20 at 15:52:45:
in the Modern you can presumably go for:
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3
When for example Tiger Hillarp in his 2014 book thinks 4...Nf6 is best (p.240); although then 5.Nc3 and we get this Pirc line.

Have a nice day.

I have long been interested in this move order for White, and also the similar attempt at forcing Black into a Pirc line with 3.Nf3 d6 4.h3. I get Tiger's point that in both cases 4...a6?! is met with 5.c4! when ...a6 is not optimal. However, I don't see why Black can't keep his options open with 4...Nd7!?, possibly intending 5...e5 or 5...c5 or even reverting to 5.Nc3 a6. In both cases (with 4.h3 or 4.Be3) White is denied his desired straight Pirc transposition.

This isn't mentioned at all by Tiger, but the also reasonable 4...c5 is. In the 4.Be3 c5 case a transposition to the Dragon is on the cards.
  

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Re: 1.e4 vs Minor Defences by Parimarjan Negi
Reply #1 - 02/03/20 at 15:52:45
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Hello.

scvchess wrote on 02/02/20 at 01:18:09:
GM Negi's books are always a treat to read.
Agreed. Any Negi publication is always eagerly anticipated.

Here is some info from the QC blog by Mr. Greet.
"About Negi – against the Alekhine he’s going main line with 4.Nf3; against the Pirc/Modern it’ll be Be3/Nf3. We’ll announce the publication date when we are ready. We will not announce the announcement date."
Sound policy.

This Be3/Nf3 business against the Pirc is kinda interesting. I wonder if it is with all of
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3
4...Bg7 5.Nf3
4...c6 5.Nf3
4...a6 5.Nf3
Or if he goes for 5.Qd2 against something; which overall is a little bit more aggressive.

I guess one plus of allowing:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3
is that in the Modern you can presumably go for:
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3
When for example Tiger Hillarp in his 2014 book thinks 4...Nf6 is best (p.240); although then 5.Nc3 and we get this Pirc line.

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No release date yet, but Quality Chess has it listed in their 2020 catalog. It will cover the Scandinavian, Pirc/Modern,
Alekhine, and other unusual defenses.

GM Negi's books are always a treat to read.
  
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