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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #45 - 08/23/21 at 11:14:56
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emary wrote on 08/08/21 at 13:24:52:
bragesjo wrote on 06/26/20 at 15:47:23:
I gave up Nimzo/Bogo combo in over the board games becouse most club players play London or Colle.


I had this problem too. My solution (OTB and online) is
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 dxc4 4.e3 Bg4
and I can play setups without e6 against the
Queens Pawn specials.

This QGA-line is covered in 
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Understanding the Queen's Gambit Accepted.


Can you elaborate on which setups you are referring to against Queen's Pawn Specials? Thanks!
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #44 - 08/22/21 at 23:29:10
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The King's Indian has the blocked center and fixed Black pawn breaks; the Nimzo Saemisch has the Winawer's loss of the dark-square bishop for doubled c-pawns; the QGD has the bad black bishop; even the Benoni has the queenside attack of the Classical.

But is it such a secret? Nothing really feels like the French pawn-chain variations.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #43 - 08/09/21 at 18:34:56
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katar wrote on 08/09/21 at 17:56:51:
Stonewall Dutch, on the grounds that it is the queen-pawn defense with the worst "bad bishop" problem.  Young Botvinnik paired French and Stonewall Dutch.
The bad news is that you have a bad bishop.  The good news is that you have a middlegame plan: exchange or improve the bad bishop.  Chess is so easy sometimes.

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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #42 - 08/09/21 at 17:56:51
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Stonewall Dutch, on the grounds that it is the queen-pawn defense with the worst "bad bishop" problem.  Young Botvinnik paired French and Stonewall Dutch.
The bad news is that you have a bad bishop.  The good news is that you have a middlegame plan: exchange or improve the bad bishop.  Chess is so easy sometimes.
  

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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #41 - 08/08/21 at 17:14:46
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I used to get annoyed at the perpetual London/Colle/Torre/Tromp/other openings.  You can take matters into your own hands and play 1.d4 c5 (or 1...Nf6 and 2...c5 maybe).  You'll find out right away what kind of player you're up against depending on whether they push to d5 or play 2.c3 or something like that.  You could try a kind of Old Benoni or Full Benoni or Old Indian or whatever they're called depending on White's response (mixing 1...c5 with ...e5).
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #40 - 08/08/21 at 13:24:52
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bragesjo wrote on 06/26/20 at 15:47:23:
I gave up Nimzo/Bogo combo in over the board games becouse most club players play London or Colle.


I had this problem too. My solution (OTB and online) is
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 dxc4 4.e3 Bg4
and I can play setups without e6 against the
Queens Pawn specials.

This QGA-line is covered in 
Delchev - Semkov
Understanding the Queen's Gambit Accepted.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #39 - 08/07/21 at 20:17:06
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Arnaudov wrote on 02/11/20 at 11:19:49:
Yes, it looks like a Ragozin/Nimzo mix would be a good match.


The Winawer (or McCutcheon) French, Ragozin/Vienna, Nimzo-Indian defense, and Mikenas line vs. the English.

All lines feature ...e6, ...d5, ...Bb4, and possibly ...Nf6.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #38 - 08/06/21 at 13:49:26
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The Armenian GM's who played French used to always go for the QGD against 1.d4, I heard Danny King commenting that this was also a good combination
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #37 - 06/26/20 at 15:47:23
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I gave up Nimzo/Bogo combo in over the board games becouse most club players play London or Colle. Instead I play Ragozin via Queens Gambit move order since without a pawn commited to e6 I can play more agressive lines vs London and Colle. I transpose to Nimzo vs several lines.

However there is nothing wrong with e6 setups and I played it for several years I wanted variation and I dont recommend anyone to changed main defence becouse of dpawn specials.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #36 - 06/25/20 at 10:09:57
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RoleyPoley wrote on 06/25/20 at 08:21:20:
Whatever opening you play via 1.e6 is going to hit up against the same problem isnt it?
Precisely.

Mtal wrote on 06/24/20 at 03:30:50:
If i had unlimited time, I thinkni would chose the semi-slav.
But the people who play London or Colle setups against your Dutch aren't going to enter complex theoretical lines against the Semi-Slav; they're going to play London or Colle setups against that too.


RoleyPoley wrote on 06/25/20 at 08:21:20:
If you already play classical or stonewall system and like it against g3 set ups, then presumably you can continue to use it and only learn a new line against the London/Colle set ups instead of a whole new variation on top of that
This seems like a good solution, because if you do learn, say, the Semi-Slav, you're not solving the problem that's bothering you at the moment, you're just shifting it onto different territory.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #35 - 06/25/20 at 08:21:20
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Mtal wrote on 06/25/20 at 03:26:08:
What I meant was that I hardly get any games with g3 being played. I just get a little board playimg against london and colle set ups over and over.


I'm not sure i follow. Whatever opening you play via 1.e6 is going to hit up against the same problem isnt it? People play the London and Colle set ups primarily because they can play it against all or most of black's set ups.

If you already play classical or stonewall system and like it against g3 set ups, then presumably you can continue to use it and only learn a new line against the London/Colle set ups instead of a whole new variation on top of that (especially as in another thread you talked about learning new openings with white and had a concern about whether you had the time to do so.

  

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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #34 - 06/25/20 at 06:10:50
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Their plan is working.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #33 - 06/25/20 at 03:26:08
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What I meant was that I hardly get any games with g3 being played. I just get a little board playimg against london and colle set ups over and over.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #32 - 06/24/20 at 10:35:22
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RoleyPoley wrote on 06/24/20 at 10:18:06:
That was my first thought too - but i wonder if he plays the Leningrad rather than Stonewall or Classical?

You're absolutely right and, like you, I did wonder if that was the reason. Even so, if he's looking for something that gives him the 'attacking positions' he says he wants, the Classical Dutch is worth considering as an alternative and he doesn't mention it as a possibility.
  
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Re: Which 1 d4 Defense is Most Like the French?
Reply #31 - 06/24/20 at 10:18:06
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Seeley wrote on 06/24/20 at 09:43:54:
Mtal wrote on 06/24/20 at 03:30:50:
I am a dutch player but get so many anti-dutchs I want something new.

Mtal wrote on 06/24/20 at 03:30:50:
I think I will look at openings where I can play e6 like I do on move one.

Surely if you played into the Dutch with 1...e6 instead of 1...f5, you'd avoid most of the anti-Dutch lines. It's not clear from your post why you're rejecting that option.


That was my first thought too - but i wonder if he plays the Leningrad rather than Stonewall or Classical?

  

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