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Reply #20 - 08/18/20 at 17:05:34
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How about Tania Sachdev?
  
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Reply #19 - 06/29/20 at 12:28:05
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I think Seirawan is better when commentating longer games, not 3 simultaneous rapid games. Peter Svidler is a *monster* player and dives right into deep complications, move order issues or theoretical debates quickly. While Seirawan talks slowly, calculates sloooowwwlyyy and wants to recount life stories or historical tidbits Cheesy
  
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Reply #18 - 06/22/20 at 10:12:50
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LeeRoth wrote on 06/22/20 at 02:46:05:
It appears to be more a clash of styles.  Svidler is concrete and aims his comments at a higher level of player.  Seirawan is trying to keep things light and appeal to the masses.

It was precisely this difference of approach that I'd hoped might make for an effective pairing, with the styles complementing each other rather than clashing. That isn't happening at the moment.

LeeRoth wrote on 06/22/20 at 02:46:05:
Even so, the first round today was cringeworthy.  Svidler solicited Seirawan’s opinion a number of times, only to end up correcting Seirawan and pointing out things he missed.

Absolutely right, and the second round was no better. I think it's a clash of personalities, as much as a clash of styles, that's at the root of it. Svidler seems to get impatient with Seirawan's meandering and anecdote-laden style, and doesn't seem to find any of Seirawan's humorous remarks even remotely amusing. Seirawan, for his part, seems reluctant to stick his head above the parapet and risk getting contradicted any more than necessary. It's actually a little uncomfortable to watch, I find.
  
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Re: Online commentators
Reply #17 - 06/22/20 at 06:23:07
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Jupp53 wrote on 06/22/20 at 01:31:01:
We all have personality traits in different extent. So the following is no judgement in categories of good or bad.

If you look at Seirawan before he talks he is probably over average in narcism. If he speaks you have some more cues in this direction. This makes a good cooperation with people of equal strength or stronger unprobable. It may happen. He will work best together with some admiring him for his performances. Best is a woman as long as she does this.

Based on reading about him for about 35 years, closely observing him at a tournament environment for about a week, and strongly interacting with him for about an hour (not a chess game), my non-professional opinion is that Seirawan is completely unremarkable in narcissism. I haven't noticed any.
  
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Reply #16 - 06/22/20 at 03:53:08
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I think Seirawan has spent too many years under the STLCC orders of talk to a 1000 rated player. If you go back and watch his commentary from ICC days, he used to be much better when he talked to you like you were 1600-2000.
  
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Reply #15 - 06/22/20 at 02:46:05
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I don’t think it has anything to do with narcissism.  It appears to be more a clash of styles.  Svidler is concrete and aims his comments at a higher level of player.  Seirawan is trying to keep things light and appeal to the masses. 

Even so, the first round today was cringeworthy.  Svidler solicited Seirawan’s opinion a number of times, only to end up correcting Seirawan and pointing out things he missed.  After a while, it basically became a Svidler soliloquy with Seirawan falling back into the host and sales roles.
  
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Reply #14 - 06/22/20 at 01:31:01
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We all have personality traits in different extent. So the following is no judgement in categories of good or bad.

If you look at Seirawan before he talks he is probably over average in narcism. If he speaks you have some more cues in this direction. This makes a good cooperation with people of equal strength or stronger unprobable. It may happen. He will work best together with some admiring him for his performances. Best is a woman as long as she does this.
  

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Reply #13 - 06/21/20 at 00:02:21
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I don't feel the pairing is working as well as I'd thought it would, not yet anyway. In the St Louis Chess Club broadcasts, Seirawan is very good at explaining ideas and plans, leaving most of the concrete analysis to Maurice Ashley and his computer. But there, he's very much the big beast, whereas here I got the feeling that he was somewhat in awe of Svidler and reluctant to express too many opinions for fear of having them shot down. They also both kept interrupting and talking over each other, which I hope is simply a symptom of them not being used to one another. Perhaps they'll overcome this as time goes on.
  
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Reply #12 - 06/20/20 at 23:24:13
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I missed Gustafsson today.  I don’t get the love for Seirawan.  In the bits I watched he told some stories, made a few comments, and laughed a little, but he left most of the analysis to Svidler and didn’t seem to contribute very much. 
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Reply #11 - 06/20/20 at 15:52:13
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Watching the Chessable Masters today, I feel that Svidler and Seirawan are practically an ideal line-up. And Anna Rudolf, unlike Trent, is too humble to keep interrupting them.
  
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Reply #10 - 06/15/20 at 08:24:09
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Seeley wrote on 06/14/20 at 22:24:51:
trw wrote on 06/14/20 at 20:08:23:
Why commentators like Trent have taken on the persona that they have I will never understand

I suppose the idea is to widen the appeal of the commentary by making it a bit more accessible to weaker players, for whom four hours of, say, Svidler and Leko would be almost entirely incomprehensible. A bit of humour and light-hearted banter initiated by Lawrence Trent -- who I would argue usually fulfils the role of a master of ceremonies rather than a commentator as such -- gives less experienced chess players among the audience something to enjoy and engage with. I'm not a fan of Trent myself, nor of the Seirawan/Ashley/Shahade team of the St Louis Chess Club, but I think commentary providers are catering for such a diverse audience in terms of playing-ability levels that it would be impossible to please all of the people all of the time. So while I cringe slightly when, for example, Maurice Ashley gushes excitedly over the fact that someone has pushed a g-pawn up the board, I do think this approach to commentary is playing a role in popularising the game. It helps to make chess fun and understandable for the sort of player who might happily spend time playing on the internet, but who has never studied the game seriously, or possibly even at all. And, judging by the Chat boxes that accompany the commentary, that sort of player makes up a far from insignificant part of the audience.


While I agree with you, I don't think it is done well. The old Mig or Tony Rook position was a much better executed master of ceremonies that Jen/Maurice/Trent/Botez/etc cannot deliver.
  
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Reply #9 - 06/14/20 at 22:24:51
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trw wrote on 06/14/20 at 20:08:23:
Why commentators like Trent have taken on the persona that they have I will never understand

I suppose the idea is to widen the appeal of the commentary by making it a bit more accessible to weaker players, for whom four hours of, say, Svidler and Leko would be almost entirely incomprehensible. A bit of humour and light-hearted banter initiated by Lawrence Trent -- who I would argue usually fulfils the role of a master of ceremonies rather than a commentator as such -- gives less experienced chess players among the audience something to enjoy and engage with. I'm not a fan of Trent myself, nor of the Seirawan/Ashley/Shahade team of the St Louis Chess Club, but I think commentary providers are catering for such a diverse audience in terms of playing-ability levels that it would be impossible to please all of the people all of the time. So while I cringe slightly when, for example, Maurice Ashley gushes excitedly over the fact that someone has pushed a g-pawn up the board, I do think this approach to commentary is playing a role in popularising the game. It helps to make chess fun and understandable for the sort of player who might happily spend time playing on the internet, but who has never studied the game seriously, or possibly even at all. And, judging by the Chat boxes that accompany the commentary, that sort of player makes up a far from insignificant part of the audience.
  
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Reply #8 - 06/14/20 at 20:08:23
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Honestly if they have Carlsen, Svidler, Leko, Grischuk, Nakamura, Anand, Kramnik, Kasparov, Judit then I will probably listen no matter who else is commenting. If they don't have one of those but they have Jen Shahade, Trent, Botez then I won't listen no matter who else is on the team. TBH, I kinda miss the old ICC teams of Mig/LarryC/Seirawan when he wasn't talking to us like were an idiot and guests like Svidler/Kamsky. Why commentators like Trent have taken on the persona that they have I will never understand.
  
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Reply #7 - 06/14/20 at 07:01:11
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Straggler wrote on 06/14/20 at 06:50:34:
Strongly agree re Trent. Not only does he have little to say, but I find his cheekie chappie schtick quite annoying.


Same here. I have stopped watching the commentary when he is in the line-up.
  
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Reply #6 - 06/14/20 at 06:50:34
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Strongly agree re Trent. Not only does he have little to say, but I find his cheekie chappie schtick quite annoying.
  
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