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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #15 - 06/22/20 at 12:00:36
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That was a good read. Thanks!
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #14 - 06/22/20 at 10:40:49
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cathexis wrote on 06/21/20 at 13:45:09:
I had to look up, "Eskilstuna." Poor St. Eskil! Stoned to death by Pagan Vikings!


Tuna is an old ancient and forgotten Swedish word for marketplace. Several old swedish towns has tuna as part of the name like Sigtuna. In Eskilstuna we have Zoo called "Parken Zoo". Later a shopping centre was build very close to it and they named it "Tuna Park". We have also local sausages marked with the english words "Taste Tuna" and they dont taste fish...

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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #13 - 06/21/20 at 13:45:09
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I had to look up, "Eskilstuna." Poor St. Eskil! Stoned to death by Pagan Vikings! Thank you for your suggestions and thanks to all who replied as well. If I ever invent an opening variation I am going to name it, "Eskilstuna" just to make everyone have to look it up. (haha).
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #12 - 06/19/20 at 17:30:35
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An other book is Openings for Ameuters. It goes for Spanish four knighs and 00 vs Nd4.
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #11 - 06/19/20 at 16:59:11
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Obudchuks book is not good vs Nd4 where he gives Bc4 where white must take great risks to avoid a forced draw.

Lakdawalas book is a typical Lakdawala book but good introduktion. It was my first book the opening.

Best book on Spanish version is Khalifmans book.

Best book on Scotch version is Keep it simple 1 e4 book.
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #10 - 06/19/20 at 09:41:25
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GabrielGale wrote on 06/19/20 at 05:25:10:
There is also an older book in complete games format: Andrey Obudchuk, The Four Knights Game 2011.
Of course the 4 Knights may/can lead to the Halloween Gambit for a bit of fun esp around end of October.


I didnt think the Obudchuk book had reviewed particularly well?

In addition to that one there is also the Lakdawala book on the four knights. However, i would think both the Sielecki book, and the Squeezing e4 e5 one are not just more recent but of higher quality judging by the comments of some of the posters on here?
  

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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #9 - 06/19/20 at 05:25:10
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There is also an older book in complete games format: Andrey Obudchuk, The Four Knights Game 2011.
Of course the 4 Knights may/can lead to the Halloween Gambit for a bit of fun esp around end of October.
  

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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #8 - 06/15/20 at 12:58:31
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Thanks for these great links MNb! Coincidentally, I too have started getting interested in this classic opening. And of course, I fully agree it's a good choice for the OP!
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #7 - 06/15/20 at 09:14:02
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The Kenilworthian has also a few articles on the Spanish Four Knights:

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2006/07/spanish-four-knights-c48-bibliography....
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2006/anti-rubinstein.htm
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2006/apsenieks-fine1937.htm
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2007/najer-ippolito.htm

Of course anyone contemplating (like me) taking up 4.Bb5 needs the book discussed in

https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1573823449

I find it highly interesting that ideas have been developed to make Black's life harder thatn it used to be in the Rubinstein (4...Nd4).
  

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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #6 - 06/15/20 at 08:00:33
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At 1500 OTB I like it very much. I play both the Scotch and Spanish Four Knights. The book ' Squeezing 1.e4 e5' is a great book as a reference. It covers the sidelines way deeper than Sielecki's work. A line you are going to face very often from both move orders at the lower levels is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 d6
5. d4
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #5 - 06/14/20 at 11:09:32
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I think the Four Knights , especially the Spanish, is great for beginners. I think it maybe a bit better than the Italian because of fewer move order issues. That said, I miss the Kenilworthian!!
  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #4 - 06/14/20 at 10:21:09
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Yes, it is a sensible start. No probs there at all.

I'm reminded of this in the now-defunct Kenilworthian website:

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2010/02/1e4-e5-2nf3-white-repertoire.html

The lines suggested there are also a good start.



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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #3 - 06/14/20 at 03:24:45
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The Four Knights is recommended by Sielecki in his excellent book of 2018 Keep it Simple 1 e4....so your opening choice is a good sound option....play it, and as LeeRoth says have fun.

  
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #2 - 06/13/20 at 21:59:07
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Re: Four Knights - for Novice Players?
Reply #1 - 06/13/20 at 14:39:57
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Why not the Four Knights?  It’s a great opening to start with.  Gets the pieces out, Knights before Bishops, pays attention to the center, gets the King to safety, offers lots to study:  Spanish lines, Scotch lines, Rubinstein, Glek....

I wouldn’t get too hung up on what opening you study and whether it’s the right one.  The key when starting out is to just be exposed to as much chess as possible.  Play and study.  Leave the dogma to the kids, and follow your muse.  After all, this is supposed to be fun.

  
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