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Keep It Simple 1.d4: Christof Sielecki    
  8 (17.4%)
The Modern Defence: Cyrus Lakdawala    
  1 (2.2%)
Opening Repertoire the Ruy Lopez: J. Doknjas    
  0 (0.0%)
Playing the Najdorf: David Vigorito    
  8 (17.4%)
The Modernised Dutch: Adrian Demuth    
  2 (4.3%)
Fight 1. d4 with the Tarrasch: V. Kotronius    
  3 (6.5%)
The Safest Grunfeld Reloaded: A. Delchev    
  4 (8.7%)
The Modern Scotch: Khalifman & Soloviov    
  1 (2.2%)
Opening Repertoire: The Sicilian Najdorf: Doknjas    
  2 (4.3%)
GM repertoire Sicilian Taimanov: Pavlidis    
  6 (13.0%)
New Repertoire for Black and White: Kaufman    
  5 (10.9%)
Squeezing 1.e4 e5: Khalifman and Soloviov    
  6 (13.0%)




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Reply #50 - 09/18/20 at 15:58:24
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If votes stay independent or not by a discussion may stay open. But I would bet the forum will face a higher risk of some organized fandom. It's possible to read the discussion of every book in the forum when awaited or after publishing.
  

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Reply #49 - 09/15/20 at 21:17:58
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@an ordinary chessplayer:

I have to say your posts here do suggest you are an unusually analytical, objective and self-aware person, even among chess players. I'm not using this as just an ironic or rhetorical statement - I really mean it.

But if that's accurate, it means your experience is a bit beside the point since you can't design a general system for all kinds of people based on it. That would be a fragile fair-weather system, not one designed to handle worst-case scenarios or even average scenarios. As an analyst you surely see that?

Similarly, If I'm conducting a social science survey, I don't relax the standard checks and safeguards meant to ensure independent responses just because one or even most of the respondents turn out to be unusually objective and self-aware.

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/15/20 at 18:52:13:
Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 13:52:15:
90% of drivers think they are in the top 50% of drivers.

It's trivially easy to know if you are in the top 50% of drivers. Just examine your insurance bill.

The point of the example, a cliché of countless psychology books, is merely to show that people frequently misjudge their own skills. I'm not on top of how car insurance works across countries, but the objectively awful driver who thinks he's great may not be likely to check his insurance and connect those dots anyway.

I'll stop there as I'm trying to extricate myself from this discussion that increasingly seems to have reached a stalemate.
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Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 13:52:15:
People, certainly including me, are less objective and more affected by our environments, even subconsciously, than we like to believe. An ordinary chessplayer may be one of the rare exceptions of course, but don't we all want to think we are?

No, I don't want to think that I am an exception. That's the opposite of objectivity. What I want is to know when I am being influenced, and when I am not. That's the true objectivity. It's called self-awareness, and it's not easy. Through long practice there are times (1) when I am absolutely certain I am not being influenced, such as at the end of an analysis session. And there are other times (2) when I am absolutely certain I am being influenced, such as when I am "acting naturally" around other people. And there are yet other times (3), probably the majority, when I have no idea, and therefore likely being influenced, if I bothered to make an assessment. What I certainly don't do is mistake scenarios (2) and (3) for scenario (1). Nor does the existence of (2) and (3) mean that scenario (1) does not happen, nor does it mean that when I claim it does happen that I am deluding myself.

Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 13:52:15:
90% of drivers think they are in the top 50% of drivers.

It's trivially easy to know if you are in the top 50% of drivers. Just examine your insurance bill.
  
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Straggler wrote on 09/15/20 at 14:50:08:
Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 14:11:10:
So you see no value in the final small space (virtual space in this case) where you make your decision being neutral? That value is just obvious to me, so I find all the objections to it had to understand.

No, I don't see any value (in terms of ensuring a "neutral environment") in drawing a distinction between two threads on the same forum. Saying its value is obvious to you isn't really a justification for such a distinction.

I have already given the reasoning behind that value: People are affected by the immediate environment when we make decisions, even subconsciously, to a greater extent than many are aware of. And even before that was known, it was an established part of democracy in most places that he polling site itself should be neutral, to give people the space to decide on their own.

And, by the way, not just in political elections: In social science research (which I've been involved with on a very small scale), market research and really all kinds of polling it's a basic ground rule that you take measures to ensure as far as realistically possible that respondents aren't influenced by each other or anyone else while responding (unless such influence is intentional and part of the research design, of course).

None of this is especially hard to understand. Until this thread I had no idea it was controversial either, but apparently it is. Anyway, this discussion is just going around in circles, so I think we can agree to disagree.
  

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Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 14:11:10:
So you see no value in the final small space (virtual space in this case) where you make your decision being neutral? That value is just obvious to me, so I find all the objections to it had to understand.

No, I don't see any value (in terms of ensuring a "neutral environment") in drawing a distinction between two threads on the same forum. Saying its value is obvious to you isn't really a justification for such a distinction.

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We're free to discuss the nominees in any other thread of the forum of course, so there aren't really any downsides to keeping the voting thread neutral, only advantages. An easy call.

But it's only your assertion that there are advantages. Indeed I would say that there are advantages in allowing free discussion of the candidates in the poll thread, because it would facilitate discussion of the relative merits of the candidates, and how far each candidate meets the criteria - if we could agree what they are.
  
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Straggler wrote on 09/15/20 at 13:58:56:
I do think it makes no difference in practice. But my point is that I see no reason to insist that the poll thread must be a "neutral environment" without also insisting that the whole of chesspub.com must be such an environment.

So you see no value in the final small space (virtual space in this case) where you make your decision being neutral? That value is just obvious to me, so I find all the objections to it had to understand. It's already largely in place here, save for the occasional remark that sticks out, and it's working.
Edit: We're free to discuss the nominees in any other thread of the forum of course, so there aren't really any downsides to keeping the voting thread neutral, only advantages. An easy call.

By all means change the thread to a discussion format next year if that's what most people want. I guess I'm really saying it should be one or the other and not some halfway house where it's entirely unclear whether we're acting as a jury or as independent voters.

ReneDescartes wrote on 09/15/20 at 13:57:02:
Let's just let it be natural, as it was in the past before some strange stuff started happening. After all, the point is our pleasure as much as bestowing a solemn honor on a book!

We seem to have different recollections here. I remember most people over the years managing to avoid both lambasting nominees in the thread and revealing their vote before the end, though quite often with some exceptions.

I agree with the pleasure part, but being satisfied with a good process can increase pleasure too.
  

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I do think it makes no difference in practice. But my point is that I see no reason to insist that the poll thread must be a "neutral environment" without also insisting that the whole of chesspub.com must be such an environment.
  
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I think the need is just to prevent gross distortions such as external lobbying, horse-race voting and creating new user accounts to increase the vote. The steps Tony has taken already seem more than enough to prevent those. We don't need to maintain some sort of additional purity. We're not a criminal jury, a parliamentary body, or even the Nobel Prize committee: whatever objectivity we ever had is very faint. No one even pretends each voter has read even the book he voted for cover to cover--nor would that be desirable for us. Let's just let it be natural, as it was in the past before some strange stuff started happening. After all, the point is our pleasure as much as bestowing a solemn honor on a book!
  
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Straggler wrote on 09/15/20 at 09:38:34:
Stigma, doesn't it follow from your argument that there should be no discussion of the candidates at all? You haven't explained why it makes a difference which thread they are discussed in. If I like a book enough to consider voting for it, I am just as likely to be reading the thread about that book as the thread about the poll.

No, that doesn't follow. The point is just that the voting thread itself should be neutral and don't affect people's decision in any direction. To my mind, as long as the system here is an independent vote, that's the right way to do it.

In a real election you are not normally a target of campaigning at the polling site (and if in some countries you are, I don't agree with allowing that). You should get to make your final decision on your own in a neutral environmnent. The situations are parallel even though the stakes are much smaller here.

Maybe your point is that's just a principle that makes no difference in practice, but I disagree. People, certainly including me, are less objective and more affected by our environments, even subconsciously, than we like to believe. An ordinary chessplayer may be one of the rare exceptions of course, but don't we all want to think we are? 90% of drivers think they are in the top 50% of drivers.
  

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It really wasn't my intention to encourage anyone to vote for a specific book. Next year I will just give my vote without any comments in the poll thread.
  
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Stigma, doesn't it follow from your argument that there should be no discussion of the candidates at all? You haven't explained why it makes a difference which thread they are discussed in. If I like a book enough to consider voting for it, I am just as likely to be reading the thread about that book as the thread about the poll.
  
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Stigma wrote on 09/15/20 at 02:30:47:
I'll take your word for it that you're all rational and objective. But you can't know the same goes for everyone else. I for one have studied too much psychology to claim I'm never affected by information that "should" be irrelevant to a decision.

I'm not always rational, because it's not a quality but an act. It takes energy and work, and when I'm tired I simply can't do it. But as an analyst, being rational is what I'm paid to do. Given enough time and caffeine, I can marshal the criteria, the weights and measures, the rows and columns and formulas, and turn the crank. Having done all that work, at that precise moment, when it's time to cast my vote, which really amounts to ratifying my analysis, right then is when I am incapable of being irrational.

For me playing chess is literally the same process. Just like in real life, sometimes I'm too tired to do it. And unlike in my day job where I have decent skills, my chess skills are mostly substandard. But given enough time and caffeine, I can turn the chess analysis crank, and whatever move comes out on top, that's what I play. That one act, not the shoddy analysis preceding but the finality of yielding to it, is precisely why I became a master. Other players may have more pure chess skill, but they have moments of irrationality. They have a style, they have a predeliction, they want to make a certain move work, they want to win with an attack instead of an endgame, or vice versa -- one way or another they try to impose their own will on the chess move, instead of the other way around. Not all the time, but enough of the time to give me a chance.
  
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/15/20 at 02:03:05:
Now I can explain myself: I don't think like that! A vote for the best is not "wasted" even if the best, according to me, finishes dead last. Why would I vote for a lesser choice just because my first choice isn't going to win? Ridiculous. It's not as if it's me that's winning and losing, and I have no ego involved in having voted for the winner. (There's a place for pragmatism in political elections with real power on the line, but we're talking about chess books here.) So of course I would prefer a vigorous discussion to the way it is now, because I am influenced by others' information, and not by their votes.

I'll take your word for it that you're all rational and objective. But you can't know the same goes for everyone else. I for one have studied too much psychology to claim I'm never affected by information that "should" be irrelevant to a decision.

It could still be interesting to try more of a discussion format, as long as that's made clear at the outset.

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Okay then, back to the winners!

Agreed!
  

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Reply #37 - 09/15/20 at 02:09:50
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I voted for the Doknjas' Repertoire book on the Najdorf.  Not only was it an excellent book, between the two brothers, they easily could have had three books in this list.  (Only the book on the Modern Benoni was missing.)  I loved all of the books but this choice honored both of them.  That being said, I have the books that won and they are great as well.
  
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If people could see the results so far before casting their vote, they could for instance realize their first choice was likely a "wasted vote" and go for their second choice with real winning chances instead.

Thank you. You finally explained that part of it. Now I can explain myself: I don't think like that! A vote for the best is not "wasted" even if the best, according to me, finishes dead last. Why would I vote for a lesser choice just because my first choice isn't going to win? Ridiculous. It's not as if it's me that's winning and losing, and I have no ego involved in having voted for the winner. (There's a place for pragmatism in political elections with real power on the line, but we're talking about chess books here.) So of course I would prefer a vigorous discussion to the way it is now, because I am influenced by others' information, and not by their votes. Oh, and I know the argument that a vote can be considered information. But if a person is changing their vote based on other votes, then their vote is noise, and the signal I care about is before the vote. Anyway, the current voting system isn't bad, it just maybe needs to have a few of the unwritten rules turned into written ones. Just a paragraph or two, and then copy/paste from one year to the next.

Okay then, back to the winners!

I was thinking it might be nice if somebody who nominated or voted for the winners could create a more-or-less official chesspub blurb which the publishers and authors could refer to. It could even be a comment already made on chesspub that gets highlighted. Just something pithy that could look nice on a website or in a CV or on the back cover of a second edition. It doesn't need to be long, in fact the shorter the better. It just needs to be accurate and sincere. Any takers?
  
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I'm a bit baffled myself that my view should be at all hard to understand (whether you agree with it or not).

But if I need to be even more specific:
In a jury people discuss and try to persuade each other before deciding. With wholly independent voting, on the other hand, they're expected to make their own independent choices without undue influence, and there are some (large or small) rules or social conventions that limit how much people try to influence each other.

I'm not claiming there are no borderline cases - these are really just idealized, pure systems while reality is often messy. I don't even have very strong opinions on which ideal is better. But the ChessPub Book of the Year has been basically an independent vote for as long as I can remember (granted, with some hiccups like that Twitter incident, but limiting the vote to already registered users seems to have helped). Hence the poll results being hidden while voting is ongoing - it's really not a mystery at all. If people could see the results so far before casting their vote, they could for instance realize their first choice was likely a "wasted vote" and go for their second choice with real winning chances instead. That would no longer be an independent choice.

If you want to change it into more of a discussion-based (hence jury-like) system, that's a perfectly valid view. But the point is this year it was still an independent vote. And so it was still best not to criticize the nominees in the same thread while voting was open.
  

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Stigma wrote on 09/14/20 at 20:55:51:
My objection was on principle. I would have the same view no matter which of the books was criticized in the thread with the still open poll. Though possibly I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if the comments had been less harsh.

Why do you think the results are hidden until the poll closes? I thought it obvious the point of that is people should vote independently and not based on what others have plumped for. If everyone discusses their decision during voting, you basically have a kind of jury instead.

It's okay, I don't mind being baffled.

For the mystery of why the poll results were hidden, it's not something I worried about. Usually these things have a reason, like in a previous year the poll results were visible, it caused some sort of "problem", and the solution was to hide the poll results next year. Okay whatever, there are always some children misbehaving on the internet, do what you have to do.

As for people (maybe not) voting independently, that also makes no sense to me, since I always do that anyway, whether or not I have discussed things with others! I do find though that in evidence-based procedures it's valuable to listen to what others think, simply because there isn't enough time to evaluate all the evidence myself. So if someone can summarize their own take on the evidence, I can use that information to improve my own decision, before coming to my own conclusions.

I still don't see your distinction between independent voting and "a kind of jury instead". Juries weigh the evidence and then agree or not. It makes sense if they agree, because they are all looking at the same evidence, and it makes sense if they don't agree, because they are voting independently. So what are you driving at with this juries vs independent voting thing?
  
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My objection was on principle. I would have the same view no matter which of the books was criticized in the thread with the still open poll. Though possibly I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if the comments had been less harsh.

Why do you think the results are hidden until the poll closes? I thought it obvious the point of that is people should vote independently and not based on what others have plumped for. If everyone discusses their decision during voting, you basically have a kind of jury instead.
  

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Stigma wrote on 09/14/20 at 16:47:08:
But if the majority here are all for discussing the nominees in the poll thread, I defer to that, even though it feels wrong to me as it blurs the line between independent votes and a jury.

I'm baffled. I'm not at all sure why independent votes are necessarily different from a jury. Lacking that knowledge, I naturally also don't understand why independent votes would be better. Nor did I see where the poll requested that people vote independently rather than as a jury, although if it was obvious to everyone else I suppose it could go without saying....

I actually thought your initial objection was a polite way of saying you didn't like the unnecessarily harsh comments made regarding one of the nominees, but now I don't know.
  
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Dink Heckler wrote on 09/14/20 at 07:19:30:
You'd think we were voting for a world government the way some of you are banging on about influencing the polls and whatnot. Given the stakes involved, I think we can allow discussants a little bit of latitude.

I understand the stakes here are small of course. I just care about fair processes and enjoy a good discussion of principles.

But if the majority here are all for disussing the nominees in the poll thread, I defer to that, even though it feels wrong to me as it blurs the line between independent votes and a jury.
  

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You'd think we were voting for a world government the way some of you are banging on about influencing the polls and whatnot. Given the stakes involved, I think we can allow discussants a little bit of latitude.
  

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Reply #29 - 09/14/20 at 05:08:46
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First. Congratulations to winners!

Imo. It is good to be able to discuss nominees. A realistic scenario has to be that a book gets nominated, this peaks interest from someone and only at that point the book gets reviewed and any criticism detected.

Also good to keep poll threads nice and orderly though. An idea is to allow obvious criticism of books in a nomination thread but not in the voting thread. Another is to have very obvious links to any chesspub threads (if existing) on the books gathered together somewhere very visible for those who vote.

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Congratulations to the well-deserved winners!

Sielecki was on my personal shortlist, and I'm sure Vigorito would have been too if had read his book.

Straggler wrote on 09/13/20 at 13:29:53:
Campaigning on election day, at the polling station or anywhere else, is prohibited in order that people who vote early should be no less well informed than those who vote late.

Is that really the only reason? You're probably talking about people who vote early on election day. But with the amount of seriously early voting going on, both by mail-in and at designated early voting locations, that point becomes kind of moot. People may be voting days or weeks early based on the information they have at that point.

To my mind an even more important reason for keeping a polling site apolitical is to give people the peace and quiet to think through their vote one last time and make sure the choice really is their own, without being disturbed by anyone trying to influence them at the last minute. But I admit I'm not a political scientist.
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First, congratulations to the joint winners. I could have safely voted for either of these two books without even reading them. (I do have other books by these two authors.)

Straggler wrote on 09/13/20 at 13:29:53:
an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/13/20 at 04:58:21:
In defense of Lakdawala I say that, while I'm personally not a fan of his writing style, from what I've read he is by some measures a good writer.

What measures would those be, out of interest? How would you answer the criticisms at http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2015/12/bobbins.html, for instance? I respect your opinion and I'm genuinely curious.

I think Mr. Horton would agree that the errors he identified could have been easily rectified with proofreading, editing, and revising. The last example, though -- "The king implies a query through his gaping, open mouth." -- is a real head-scratcher. Instead of the usual "unclear" scrawled in the margin, I can imagine the editor indicating "WTF?". Except I don't think there was an editor. Lakdawala's biggest flaw is that his books are rushed. To a large extent the blame falls on the publisher. There are other issues in play, not least of which is a writer of Californian English being reviewed by a reader of British English. I've said before that I don't like the flowery non-chess stuff in a chess book, but I recognize there are readers with precisely the opposite values. For them, a typical theory book is too dry, whereas Lakdawala is more inviting.

Straggler wrote on 09/13/20 at 13:29:53:
But surely this poll is more than just a popularity contest. Isn't it meant to identify the book that forum members honestly believe to be objectively best?

I find it easier to discuss objectivity when the criteria being evaluated are clearly spelled out. How much does the cover art count? Because if it's 100%, then I can make my pick just by browsing on amazon.com.
  
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I feel it's poor form to discuss which nominees are bad or which one you voted for in the very same thread as the poll before the poll is closed.

This is akin to election rules in force in many countries that you don't campaign at the polling site, or even anywhere on election day. It's an admirable principle IMHO.

Most of the nominated books already have their own threads on ChessPub where their qualities or lack thereof are freely discussed. I don't mind discussions continuing there of course.

Campaigning on election day, at the polling station or anywhere else, is prohibited in order that people who vote early should be no less well informed than those who vote late. How likely is it that someone might be discouraged from voting for Lakdawala's book by a post made yesterday in this thread, but not by a post made yesterday in the thread about that book?

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/13/20 at 04:58:21:
In defense of Lakdawala I say that, while I'm personally not a fan of his writing style, from what I've read he is by some measures a good writer.

What measures would those be, out of interest? How would you answer the criticisms at http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.com/2015/12/bobbins.html, for instance? I respect your opinion and I'm genuinely curious.

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/13/20 at 04:58:21:
if it were to win I would not be completely shocked, since there are many many players out there who might find this right up their alley.

Obviously lots of people must like Lakdawala's books, because they sell well. But surely this poll is more than just a popularity contest. Isn't it meant to identify the book that forum members honestly believe to be objectively best? I can't see even Lakdawala's mum seriously claiming that one of his crowd-pleasing rush jobs is actually better than a book by Vigorito or Sielecki.
  
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Two excellent books there. Worthy winners, both.

Agreed, next time round people justify choices. Rather than risk some author's mum nominating their offspring's random guff, and having that in there.

Yeah, watch Narcos (Mexico) Season 2 for the dangers (on a slightly larger scale) of discussing candidates and numbers while voting is ongoing. Fair point there.
  
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I've closed the poll, finally (!), congratulations to the deserving joint winners: David Vigorito for Playing the Najdorf and Christof Sielecki for Keep It Simple 1.d4.
  
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I do appreciate your sentiment regarding the recent criticisms, that they were a little misplaced and/or mistimed.

Actually I can go further. In defense of Lakdawala I say that, while I'm personally not a fan of his writing style, from what I've read he is by some measures a good writer. Also his books are decent and I usually learn some things from them. So I presume the nomination was not for a laugh, as suggested, and if it were to win I would not be completely shocked, since there are many many players out there who might find this right up their alley.

I had in mind that the person nominating the book would be required to write a paragraph in support. It would for the most part preclude nominating a book "for a laugh". I suppose if there is an existing thread then a sentence and a link could suffice, depending on what's in that thread.
  
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@an ordinary chessplayer:

To clarify, I should have written something like:
I feel it's poor form to discuss which nominees are bad or which one you voted for in the very same thread as the poll before the poll is closed.

This is akin to election rules in force in many countries that you don't campaign at the polling site, or even anywhere on election day. It's an admirable principle IMHO.

Most of the nominated books already have their own threads on ChessPub where their qualities or lack thereof are freely discussed. I don't mind discussions continuing there of course. (If any of them arent't already discussed in a thread, that's a clear sign there's not enough interest in that book to give it any chance of winning anyway).

A presentation of each book when the poll is posted is a nice idea. But someone would have to take time to collect or write those presentations. The last couple of years it's been a struggle to even get the poll up and running, so it may not be a good idea to raise the bar.
  

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I agree. All attempts to influence the vote should be done via proper channels, like Twitter. Smiley

But seriously, I don't agree. I didn't vote, for the simple reason I haven't read any of the candidate books. But if I were voting, I think I would want discussion of the books to affect my choice. Maybe there are reasons for not discussing books, but is this one of them?

In fact I would like to see things move in the other direction. Maybe any nomination should be accompanied by at least a paragraph stating what was good about the book and why it's worthy of being voted for. Pros and cons should be discussed! A simple principle of equal time should keep things on track. (We should of course realize that in the beginning, when nothing has been discussed, then any discussion will necessarily be unequal.)
  
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I feel it's poor form to discuss which nominees are bad or which one you voted for before the poll is closed. It could conceivably affect other voters.

I know I also mentioned who I "probably would have" voted for. But at that point the poll was closed and I didn't know it would be reopened.
  

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Great that it is still possible to vote. For me it was a hard choice to pick Vigorito just a tiny bit ahead of Sielecki  Cool
  
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Seriously? there is a Lakdawala book there? Ugh. There are not enough hands in the world for this face palm.
He is an absolutely awful writer. He does abominable things with language.  Roll Eyes

And, in a book in the ‘Opening Repertoire’ series, makes no attempt to provide a proper repertoire. One can only assume that whoever nominated this book was having a laugh.
  
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Suddenly 6 new votes in the past ~ 48 hours - almost 40 days after the original end date! We like to take our time to make decisions here on ChessPub.  Smiley

With that rate it may be worth keeping it open for a few more days. But most consistent would be to just close it.
  

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Seriously? there is a Lakdawala book there? Ugh. There are not enough hands in the world for this face palm.
He is an absolutely awful writer. He does abominable things with language.  Roll Eyes

UK govt breaking international law, Trump, now that being nominated for a book award. Signs of an impending apocalypse...
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I've just made it 'unsticky' just in case some members didn't see it at the top of the list. I will close it in a couple of days if that's OK with everyone?
  
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I see there are still votes dripping in occasionally, probably when someone comments and the thread becomes easier to find. Around two weeks ago there were 35 votes; now there are 38.

Well, no new closing date was announced when the poll reopened. It's up to Tony how long it stays open.
  

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Which book is the winner?
  
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It's no longer clear when this closes. I'd assumed it had already finished, but I've just been allowed to vote, so it seems the poll is still running.
  
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So do we have a winner ?
  
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Thanks for keeping the vote open. I only noticed it when it got top billing! I have now voted.
  
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Thank you. I've now voted. I guess I missed it as it was in the upper section titled "Important threads" !!!
  
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I would appreciate that very much. I think more will vote if more become aware of it.
  
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paradoxical effect of pinning the thread

This might be one of the reasons, I normally only make the thread 'sticky' (so it stays at the top) after the poll is closed myself. I suppose it might be possible to re-open the poll for a couple of weeks, I can look into this if anyone wants? Undecided
  
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IM_Serious wrote on 08/03/20 at 15:06:41:
1) The nominations were not visible without logging in.

2) After voting, the nominations were not visible, even after logging in.

3) The poll results were hidden until the end.

4) There is a bug that the BBS said "thanks for voting" before I voted.


Your 1) and 2) could have some impact. But I'm not sure if they are unusual - has it always been that way? They seem somewhat logical when voting is restricted to registered members and to once per member.

Apart from those, the unusual timing was probably the main reason. I did notice the poll was up, but was a bit too busy to vote right away. Later I forgot all about it.

As usual there are only a few of these I have bought let alone really started studying, but I probably would have voted for Delchev or Sielecki.
  

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I think the main problem was the timing--and a paradoxical effect of pinning the thread. Normally, at least recently, I just go into General Chess, looking around less frequently at the sections for openings I play. Because this thread is pinned, it doesn't appear in the list of most recently active threads inside the main body of General Chess.  I had no idea it actually became a poll in July. It was on hold, nearly frozen, for so many months that I only glanced up at it it every few weeks, and now I look and it lasted three weeks and is over. When the poll is displaced this far from the new year, after so much inaction,  maybe an advertising thread in main General Chess would help--and some more time.

I didn't get to vote for Sielecki, who took an original concept (delaying c2-c4 until White is castled), did a lot of labor, and made it work.
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Strange, I can't ever remember seeing so few votes, I wonder why?


1) The nominations were not visible without logging in.

2) After voting, the nominations were not visible, even after logging in.

3) The poll results were hidden until the end.

4) There is a bug that the BBS said "thanks for voting" before I voted.

  
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bragesjo wrote on 08/03/20 at 07:47:12:
It appears that fewer voted than usual...

Strange, I can't ever remember seeing so few votes, I wonder why?
  
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It appears that fewer voted than usual...
  
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Hi All,

Here is the book of the year poll for titles published in 2019.

Closing date is 2 August.

Best wishes,

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