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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #13 - 02/20/24 at 13:40:24
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FreeRepublic wrote on 02/16/24 at 03:01:41:
In the diagramed position after 20Bxc5, ChessPublishing states:
"A pretty rare continuation. White creates a passed pawn on the d-file and doubles Black's pawns on the c-file, but the d-pawn is not going anywhere and Black's position looks pretty solid."

Ntirils' concern was that after 20 Bxc5 dxc5 21 Reb1 black is not in time to meet b3 with Ne8-d6

In the line with 17 Be3 (instead of 17 Bg5 inducing ...h6), Ntirlis says Black is in time with 17 Be3 Nc5 18 Bxc5 dxc5 19 Qd2 Re7 20 Reb1 Ne8 21 b3 Nd6
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #12 - 02/16/24 at 14:44:05
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FWIW,

The original link fails - 4 years old, no surprise. This is a link to Amazon which might be helpful:

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Spanish-Breyer-Zaitsev-Systems/dp/1949859207/ref=s...
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
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In the diagramed position after 20Bxc5, ChessPublishing states:
"A pretty rare continuation. White creates a passed pawn on the d-file and doubles Black's pawns on the c-file, but the d-pawn is not going anywhere and Black's position looks pretty solid."
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #10 - 02/14/24 at 03:09:32
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In the final game of the Breyer section, Kotronias does not mention 20. Bxc5 which is Nitirlis' concern in his 1 e4 e5 book (recommending 17 ... Nc5 instead of 17 ... h6)

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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Nb8 10. d4 Nbd7 11. Nbd2 Bb7 12. Bc2 Re8 13. Nf1 Bf8 14. Ng3 g6 15. a4 c5 16. d5 c4 17. Bg5 h6 18. Be3 Nc5 19. Qd2 h5 20. Bxc5
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #9 - 01/08/24 at 18:14:38
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There are many ways to address the issue of the Zaitsev drawing line. Here is one approach.

If your opponent is significantly higher rated, play the Zaitsev. If you opponent is significantly lower rated, play the Open Ruy Lopez. If your opponent is close to you in rating, play the line you reviewed most recently.
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #8 - 01/08/24 at 12:23:04
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NoNoo wrote on 01/08/24 at 05:32:49:
afaik depends on the exact rules as usually the rule only applies to draws by agreement

That could be.

I was thinking that the first player to repeat the position three times would be in violation. By my count that would be White. Is that right? 

With White's 12th move (12Nf3), one gets a position previously seen after White's 10th move (10d4). With 14Nf3, White repeats the position a third time. I find it a little confusing as White has repeated the position three times but has only repeated the sequence, ...Rf8 Nf3, two times.

A rule change to outlaw early draws through repetition would have an effect on opening theory, it seems to me. In this particular case, I see Black benefitting. There may be other cases where it is White who benefits.
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #7 - 01/08/24 at 05:32:49
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FreeRepublic wrote on 01/07/24 at 21:43:59:
If a tournament forbids a draw before move 20, who would be penalized after:  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Ng5 Rf8 14. Nf3

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afaik depends on the exact rules as usually the rule only applies to draws by agreement

  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #6 - 01/07/24 at 21:43:59
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If a tournament forbids a draw before move 20, who would be penalized after:  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Ng5 Rf8 14. Nf3

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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #5 - 01/06/24 at 22:34:49
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I don't have Kuzmin's book, but its Table of Contents indicates that it also has a chapter on avoiding the repetition with 10...Nd7, which he calls the Saratov Variation. The chapter title includes the moves 10...Nd7 11.Nbd2 exd4 12.cxd4 Bf6, so the Saratov appears to some similarities to the Karpov line given by kylemeister.
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #4 - 01/06/24 at 21:15:12
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Nernstian59 wrote on 01/06/24 at 20:53:05:
GM Evgeniy Solozhenkin covers the Zaitsev in his book The Spanish Main Road (Chess Stars 2016). He has a chapter on avoiding the repetition in the Zaitsev with 10...Nd7 instead of the usual 10...Re8. In the Mega Database, the knight move scores slightly better for Black than 10...Re8. This may be due at least in part to receiving less scrutiny - 10...Nd7 is played about ten times less, although it's still the second most popular 10th move for Black.

I note that it was played a couple of times by Karpov; I recalled that he played ...Nd7 on move 9 (10. d4 Bf6), which I think has been called the Karpov Variation.
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #3 - 01/06/24 at 20:53:05
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FreeRepublic wrote on 01/06/24 at 00:34:51:
White can force a repetition with 11Ng5 Rf8, but maybe Black can live with that.

GM Evgeniy Solozhenkin covers the Zaitsev in his book The Spanish Main Road (Chess Stars 2016). He has a chapter on avoiding the repetition in the Zaitsev with 10...Nd7 instead of the usual 10...Re8. In the Mega Database, the knight move scores slightly better for Black than 10...Re8. This may be due at least in part to receiving less scrutiny - 10...Nd7 is played about ten times less, although it's still the second most popular 10th move for Black.
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #2 - 01/06/24 at 00:34:51
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Is there anything wrong with the Zaitsev?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8.

White can force a repetition with 11Ng5 Rf8, but maybe Black can live with that. In the realm of the closed Ruy, the Zaitsev system seems just about ideal. The selling point is that White has been denied the immediate knight circuit, Nf1-g3 due to the pressure on his king pawn. Perhaps the sternest test comes from closing the position with 12d5. However d5 comes with the Closed Ruy territory. Generally White refrains from playing it as long as possible.
  
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Re: Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
Reply #1 - 08/28/22 at 19:44:08
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This is available for download at Forward Chess for $19.99.

Alexei Kuzmin has a book on the Zaitsev at Forward Chess also. It's slightly older, 2020 vs. 2016.
  
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Kotronias on Breyer & Zaitsev
07/17/20 at 04:16:39
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Russell Enterprises has announced another forthcoming book:

The Modern Spanish : Breyer and Zaitsev Systems
by Vassilios Kotronias
Foreword by Alexei Shirov
352 pages ; $ 30 ; October 2020

https://www.russell-enterprises.com/upcoming-publications/the-modern-spanish-bre...

The cover looks practical but the excerpt promises a phantastic book! 
[23 pages with toc, foreword and parts of intro]

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