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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #16 - 06/04/21 at 18:36:35
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AlbertCamus wrote on 05/31/21 at 14:44:26:
There is Adrien Demuth's "The Modernized Defense". It has exhaustive covery of the English and Réti moveorders. He recommends a setup with f5, g6, Nf6, Bg7, e5, d6 and Nc6 (this one only in some cases).

In general it is an excellent book that really tries to move theory two steps further by also looking for challenging white tries.

Thanks for the info. I am just curious, which line in the lenegrad does he reconmend? C6 or qe8?
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #15 - 05/31/21 at 16:37:28
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Darthmambo wrote on 05/30/21 at 00:23:45:
Stigma wrote on 09/16/20 at 23:50:48:
If you have patience, Chessable have a "Lifetime Repertoire: Symmetrical English" by David Vigorito in the pipeline.

All I have seen is a call for beta testers, so I have no information on the contents. Nor on the quality obviously, but off the top of my head I can't recall any opening works by Vigorito that weren't well received.


I actually been looking for something vs the english and saw the short and sweet on this course. I was impressed, im still looking but I might actually go with his reconmendstion if I do not find anything else I like.

It's free, check it out.


I highly recommend this course.  Cheesy
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #14 - 05/31/21 at 14:44:26
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There is Adrien Demuth's "The Modernized Defense". It has exhaustive covery of the English and Réti moveorders. He recommends a setup with f5, g6, Nf6, Bg7, e5, d6 and Nc6 (this one only in some cases).

In general it is an excellent book that really tries to move theory two steps further by also looking for challenging white tries.
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #13 - 05/31/21 at 13:51:29
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Darthmambo wrote on 05/31/21 at 06:14:22:
Are there any books that cover more of a closed sicilian type set up as black vs the english?


Good question, and I look forward to the answers you may get.

There are several books on the English from white's perspective. They cover everything and may not give a lot of attention to this line. Also, some Opening Repertoire books for white narrow their focus in some other direction.

ChessPublishing has a playable eBook (CBV, May 2021) on the "King's English" that certainly deserves a look if you have access to it.

From black's perspective, what is the best move order? I suggest 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6, and if 3Nf3 f5. Apparently a reversed Grand Prix attack. Now the game can go it's own way with 4d4 e4. This does not appear to be too fashionable these days. Is white ducking these lines?

I think play is more likely to proceed 1c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3g3 g6, when it is quite likely that you will get your reversed Closed Sicilian. According to my venerable ECO, these lines can be found in A25 and A26. I think black is O.K.. Both players can find something interesting.

The lines are out of fashion now, with the reversed classical Dragon taking the limelight instead. I think a reversed closed Sicilian, like the closed Sicilian itself, somewhat shifts the emphasis from the opening to the middle game.
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Reply #12 - 05/31/21 at 06:14:22
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Are there any books that cover more of a closed sicilian type set up as black vs the english?
  
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Reply #11 - 05/30/21 at 00:23:45
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Stigma wrote on 09/16/20 at 23:50:48:
If you have patience, Chessable have a "Lifetime Repertoire: Symmetrical English" by David Vigorito in the pipeline.

All I have seen is a call for beta testers, so I have no information on the contents. Nor on the quality obviously, but off the top of my head I can't recall any opening works by Vigorito that weren't well received.


I actually been looking for something vs the english and saw the short and sweet on this course. I was impressed, im still looking but I might actually go with his reconmendstion if I do not find anything else I like.

It's free, check it out.
  
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Reply #10 - 09/17/20 at 12:26:43
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Straggler wrote on 09/17/20 at 12:02:47:
As I recall, Mikhalevski’s repertoire with 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 allows White to transpose into a Q.I.D. where Black is committed to ...Bb7 rather than ...Ba6. That’s fine if you prefer ...Bb7, but annoying if you don’t.

Yes, you're absolutely right about this. In the intro, the author recommends that ...Ba6 players learn something about the ...Bb7 lines in order to use his recommendations, writing that 'trying to cater for all possible repertoire choices within the Queen’s Indian would be a step too far.'

Just to correct a piece of incorrect information that has been repeated several times in this thread, this book covers 1.Nf3 Nf6 and 2...b6, not 1.Nf3 Nf6 and 2...e6.
  
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Reply #9 - 09/17/20 at 12:02:47
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As I recall, Mikhalevski’s repertoire with 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 allows White to transpose into a QID where Black is committed to ...Bb7 rather than ...Ba6. That’s fine if you prefer ...Bb7, but annoying if you don’t.
  
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Reply #8 - 09/17/20 at 00:06:44
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What is your normal repertoire against 1.d4? Which book offers the best coverage depends very much on that since there are so many transpositional possibilities between 1.d4, 1.c4, and 1.Nf3.

Mikhaelvski's GM Repertoire book covers the most ground, offering analysis on 1.Nf3 d5, 1...Nf6 2.c4 g6, and 1...Nf6 2.c4 e6, as well as 1.c4 e5 if I remember correctly. I think that Mikhaelvski analyzes 1.c4 e5 2.g3 c6, which I like, but I'm not a big fan of his choice of 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4. Mikhaelvski also covers a bunch of offbeat openings, including 1.b3 and 1.f4.

Demko and Semkov's book covers the reversed Rossolimo vs. 1.c4, which I personally like the most. The authors only cover 1.Nf3 d5, which will obviously only work for you if 2.d4 Nf6 3.c4 is in your normal repertoire against 1.d4.

Avrukh's Modern Chess repertoire is based on the (formerly?) trendy 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Bc5!?. It's a decent source if you like that line, but the analysis is outdated in some places at this point. I don't remember much about the rest of the repertoire.
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #7 - 09/16/20 at 23:50:48
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If you have patience, Chessable have a "Lifetime Repertoire: Symmetrical English" by David Vigorito in the pipeline.

All I have seen is a call for beta testers, so I have no information on the contents. Nor on the quality obviously, but off the top of my head I can't recall any opening works by Vigorito that weren't well received.
  

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Reply #6 - 09/16/20 at 21:13:02
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whatteaux wrote on 09/16/20 at 00:07:40:
If you find Mikhalevski's book heavy going (it's a QC GM Rep book), then Attacking the English/Reti (Delchev & Semkov, Chess Stars, 2016) might be more digestible.

I wouldn't dispute this, but the potential drawback of the Chess Stars book is that it only examines 1.Nf3 d5, so if your opponent decides not to play a Reti after all but to continue with 2.d4, you might find that you've been move-ordered away from what you usually play against 1.d4. As nestor indicates above, Mikhalevski provides coverage of a greater variety of options for Black.
  
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Reply #5 - 09/16/20 at 19:56:36
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Modern-chess.com has a three-part, Hedgehog-based repertoire against 1.Nf3 by Marin. He doesn't cover 1.c4.
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #4 - 09/16/20 at 15:36:06
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In addition to what has already been mentioned, with respect to 1..e5: 

Kotronias's Beating the Flank Openings used to be very good, but it is now almost 25 years old and I don't know if it has held up.

There are two chessable courses that recommend 1..e5 for Black, one by Bojkov and the other by Barrish.  I don't have either and would appreciate hearing from anyone who can comment.

It does seem that most of the sources on 1..e5 are avoiding the old main lines of the Reverse Dragon.  Is there a problem with the Reverse Dragon or are there other reasons for doing this?

I ask about other reasons because, in general and not just related to the English, one does get the feeling that, when it comes to repertoire books and courses, there's a trend these days for authors to opt for comparative sidelines to save space, cut down on theory, or just offer something new.  Yes, there's occasionally something interesting, but if you want to stick to the tried and true, you have to turn to a general book on the opening, check the White repertoire books, and/or keep up to date with chesspublishing.com.   



  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #3 - 09/16/20 at 00:07:40
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If you find Mikhalevski's book heavy going (it's a QC GM Rep book), then Attacking the English/Reti (Delchev & Semkov, Chess Stars, 2016) might be more digestible.
  
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Re: Repertoires for Black vs. the English / Flank Op.
Reply #2 - 09/15/20 at 15:56:52
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nestor wrote on 09/15/20 at 15:26:51:
if you want to play a reversed Dragon, you are probably better off with Avrukh's two-part database from Modern Chess.

Be aware, though, that Avrukh only advocates a reversed Dragon after 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3, when after ... d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2, he opts for the recently popular 6...Bc5 rather than the traditional 6...Nb6. He doesn't examine the reversed Dragon after 1.c4 e5 2.g3 (when he gives ... c6), or after 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 (when his recommendation is Bb4).
  
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