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Re: Prehistory of Botvinnik Gambit
Reply #4 - 01/06/21 at 19:00:38
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A Botvinnik's mistake, then? It is also possible, of course.
  
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Re: Prehistory of Botvinnik Gambit
Reply #3 - 01/06/21 at 17:50:49
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BABYBIRD wrote on 01/06/21 at 16:17:35:
Is the second game between Van Scheltinga and Gruenfeld lost?

No, because there never was such a game.
  

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Reply #2 - 01/06/21 at 16:17:35
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Here are the 2 games against Ragozin and Zhivtsov :

Ragozin - Botvinnik, 1941, training game
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 c6 5. Bg5 dxc4 6. e4 b5 7. e5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Nxg5 hxg5 10. Bxg5 Nbd7 11. exf6 Bb7 12. Be2 Qb6 13. O-O O-O-O 14. h4 Bh6 15. a4 Bxg5 16. hxg5 b4 17. Ne4 c5 18. a5 Qc7 19. Ng3 Ne5 20. a6 Bc6 21. Qc1 Rxd4 22. Qe3 Rdh4 23. Rfc1 Rh2 24. f4 Rxg2+ 25. Kf1 Rh3 26. Qxc5 Rgxg3 27. Qf8+ Qd8 28. Qxd8+ Kxd8 29. fxe5 Rh1+ 30. Kf2 Rg2+ 31. Ke3 Rh3+ 32. Kd4 Rxe2 33. Rxc4 Re4+ 34. Kc5 Rxc4+ 35. Kxc4 Rg3 [0:1]

Zhivtsov - Botvinnik, 1943, Moscow :
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Bg5 dxc4 6. e4 b5 7. e5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Nxg5 hxg5 10. Bxg5 Nbd7 11. Qf3 Bb7 12. exf6 Qb6 13. Qe3 O-O-O 14. O-O-O Qa5 15. Kb1 Nb6 16. h4 b4 17. Ne4 c5 18. f3 c3 19. Be2 Bd5 20. a3 Na4 21. dxc5 Bxc5 22. Nxc5 Nxc5 23. bxc3 bxc3 24. Rd3 Qb6+ 25. Kc1 Qb2+ 26. Kd1 Nxd3 27. Bxd3 Bb3+ [0:1]

I have never realized before that the variation 9...Nd5 was older than 9...hxg5. Embarrassed

So, in 1936, Van Scheltinga - Gruenfeld began as Ragozin's game, but Gruenfeld played 12...Nxf6 instead of Botvinnik's 12...Qb6. And in 1938, Szabo played 11.Qf3 like Zhivtsov, but he didn't castle long (he didn't castle at all, actually)

But if Botvinnik is right, Van Scheltinga and Gruenfeld played twice this variation, first in 1936, and a second time in 1940. Naturally, these days were troubled. Is the second game between Van Scheltinga and Gruenfeld lost?
  
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Re: Prehistory of Botvinnik Gambit
Reply #1 - 01/06/21 at 13:14:28
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Van Scheltinga-Grünfeld seems the oldest game with 9...hxg5. In my database there are three games with 9...Nd5 and many with earlier deviations.
Pachmann has a point; up to Junge's death he had played 9...hxg5 at least 7 times and Botvinnik 4 times *). As Junge was an ardent nazi I understand why the name Botvinnik Variation or ... Gambit was preferred.

*) I don't know the Zhivtsov game; Botvinnik played 9...hxg5 twice in the 13th Soviet Championship of 1944.

Van Scheltinga,T - Grünfeld,E [D44]
Amsterdam AP Amsterdam, 1936

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.Be2 Nxf6 13.a4 Be7 14.axb5 cxb5 15.Bf3 Nd5 16.Bxd5 Bxd5 17.Bxe7 Kxe7 18.0-0 Qd6 19.Nxd5+ Qxd5 20.Re1 Rag8 21.Rxa7+ Kf6 22.f3 Qh5 23.Kf2 Rxg2+ 0-1

This was a amall and pretty strong tournament; Euwe and Fine shared first place, Alekhine was third. The other three Dutch participants and Hans Kmoch (Euwe's secondant) suffered, though Kmoch beat Fine.


Lilienthal,A - Botvinnik,M [D44]
SSSRch-13 Moskwa (2), 22.05.1944

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.g3 Bb7 12.Bg2 Qa5 13.exf6 0-0-0 14.Qf3 Nb6 15.0-0 Rxd4 16.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 17.Qxd1 Nd5 18.Ne4 b4 19.a3 bxa3 20.Bd2 Qb6 21.bxa3 Qd4 22.Qc1 Bc5 23.Rb1 Rd8 24.Nxc5 Qxc5 25.Qb2 Qb6 26.Qa1 Qc5 27.Rc1 Ba6 28.Bf1 Nb6 29.Be3 Qf5 30.a4 c5 31.Qa3 Rd5 32.Bg2 Nd7 33.Bxd5 Qxd5 34.Bf4 e5 35.Bg5 Nf8 36.f3 Ne6 37.Qe3 Bb7 38.Rc3 e4 39.fxe4 Qxg5 40.Qxg5 Nxg5 41.Rxc4 Nxe4 42.h4 Kd7 43.g4 Bd5 44.Rc1 Ke6 45.g5 Ke5 46.a5 c4 47.Kf1 c3 48.Ke2 Kd4 49.Rd1+ Kc4 50.Ke3 c2 51.Rg1 Kc3 52.Kf4 Nf2 53.Ke5 Nd1 54.g6 c1Q 55.Rg3+ Kb4 56.Kxd5 Qc5+ 57.Ke4 fxg6 0-1


Mikenas,V - Botvinnik,M [D44]
SSSRch-13 Moskwa (10), 04.06.1944

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.g3 Qa5 12.exf6 b4 13.Ne4 Ba6 14.Qf3 0-0-0 15.Bg2 Qd5 16.Be3 c3 17.b3 e5 18.Ng5 exd4 19.Qxd5 cxd5 20.Nxf7 dxe3 21.fxe3 Bc5 22.Nxd8 Kxd8 23.0-0-0 Bxe3+ 24.Kc2 d4 25.h4 Nxf6 26.Rxd4+ Bxd4 27.Rd1 Kc7 28.Rxd4 Rg8 29.Rxb4 Rxg3 30.Ra4 Rxg2+ 31.Kxc3 Kb6 32.Rb4+ Kc5 0-1
  

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Prehistory of Botvinnik Gambit
01/06/21 at 10:11:43
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I am trying to find the first games played with that opening. We all know Denker - Botvinnik, but my database contains some older games (Van Scheltinga - Gruenfeld, 1936 and Szabo - Euwe, 1938 being the two first).
I also know the controversial decision of Pachmann who renames this opening Klaus Junge Gambit in his book (Das DamenGambit). And yesterday, I have re-opened Botvinnik's book (Half a century of chess) to read his own comments about the game against Denker.
He alludes to 3 older games, Van Scheltinga - Gruenfeld ("played in Holland in 1940, (...) 10...Be7 was played), a training game Ragozin - Botvinnik, 1941, and Zhivtsov - Botvinnik, 1943-44 ("My opponent castled long, but on the Q-side too his king came under a strong attack"). Those 3 games were not in my database, but a few seconds of research are enough to find the 2 Botvinnik's games against Ragozin and Zhivtsov. But alas, Van Scheltinga - Grunfeld, 1940 is still missing Cry
Can anyone help me?
  
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