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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #16 - 03/27/21 at 19:16:12
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #15 - 03/19/21 at 13:12:15
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Hi.

Stigma wrote on 03/19/21 at 05:00:53:
Most Black players who aim for the Four Knights or Classical would choose another move than 3...Nf6 against 3.Nc3 anyway.

True.

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/18/21 at 14:58:38:
Possibly your opponent was referring to Sveshnikov vs. the Anti-Sicilians

Stigma wrote on 03/19/21 at 05:45:40:
I think Rogozenko also covered 3...e5 in his old Anti-Sicilians book for Gambit, but I don't have it myself and don't have time to hit Google to dig up the reviews or variation index right now.

Rogozenko sounds like a familiar name. Think it may have been this book my opponent was using.

Sveshnikov, Kotronias, Plichta and maybe more (not to forget Taylor for white for example Edit: And TonyRo! Smiley)
covering the line means it may be time to read up a bit on the whole line if you want to use it. Sounds like it's getting theoretical.

Thanks both and have a nice day.
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #14 - 03/19/21 at 05:45:40
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/18/21 at 14:58:38:
Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/18/21 at 00:43:11:
There is btw some other author who does go for 3...e5. Some black repertoire. Can't recall the name sadly. Was basically told by an opponent and haven't seen the book.

Possibly your opponent was referring to Sveshnikov vs. the Anti-Sicilians, which gives both 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 and 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nge2 e5. There is a pdf sample,
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9003.pdf

There are several other books that fit this description too. I just checked Kotronias' Beating the Anti-Sicilians, and he covers 3.Nf3 e5. As does Plichta in his Anti Anti-Sicilians course on Chessable, though admittedly that's not a book, strictly speaking.

I think Rogozenko also covered 3...e5 in his old Anti-Sicilians book for Gambit, but I don't have it myself and don't have time to hit Google to dig up the reviews or variation index right now.

2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nge2!? is actually an interesting twist that may catch out some Black players. Kotronias answers it with 3...Nd4!? and credits GM Ikonnikov with demonstrating that move's viability in practice.
  

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #13 - 03/19/21 at 05:00:53
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/18/21 at 12:30:48:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5
Is simply what you play if seeking to avoid both Kalashnikov and Sveshnikov in that specific position and it goes into the Rossolimo stuff.
Edit: You also avoid Sicilian Four knights, Classical and some other setups of course.

Most Black players who aim for the Four Knights or Classical would choose another move than 3...Nf6 against 3.Nc3 anyway.

OK, 3.Nc3 e6 4.Bb5 is a line. But especially after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 d6 I don't think White has any good alternative to 4.d4. So 3...d6 should be the ticket for Classical players.
  

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #12 - 03/18/21 at 14:58:38
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/18/21 at 00:43:11:
There is btw some other author who does go for 3...e5. Some black repertoire. Can't recall the name sadly. Was basically told by an opponent and haven't seen the book.

Possibly your opponent was referring to Sveshnikov vs. the Anti-Sicilians, which gives both 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 e5 and 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nge2 e5. There is a pdf sample,
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9003.pdf
It organizes by white sideline but inexplicably fails to indicate Sveshnikov's repertoire responses, so the sample is useless for deciding whether or not to get the book. Sveshnikov gives 2.c3 Nf6, and obviously this is an answer to the Smith-Morra Gambit (he mentions it), but he offers 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 e5!? instead.
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #11 - 03/18/21 at 12:30:48
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Hi.

Yes. Of course. 4.d4 can be played there and Tony does have a chapter on 3...e5.

Was thinking of
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5
Is simply what you play if seeking to avoid both Kalashnikov and Sveshnikov in that specific position and it goes into the Rossolimo stuff.
Edit: You also avoid Sicilian Four knights, Classical and some other setups of course.

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #10 - 03/18/21 at 08:19:48
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GM Tiviakov made a DVD with the idea to play 2 Nc3 3 Nge2 4 d4 unless black could transpose to Najdorf or blacks pawn is at e5. However hes line vs Accelerered Dragon and also Hyper Accelererad  Dragon was far from convinving. I met this move order a couple of times when I played Dragon proper some years ago. I have also seen club players play 2 Nc3 3 Nf3 4 d4 so 2 Nf3 3 Nc3 is not the only move order.
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #9 - 03/18/21 at 06:39:23
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/18/21 at 00:43:11:
TonyRo went for:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 g6!?.

You're mistaken; 4.d4 is an Open Sicilian but doesn't allow the Kalashnikov.
  

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #8 - 03/18/21 at 00:43:11
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Hi.

TonyRo went for:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 g6!?
And had generally a very good chapter on it I would say.

It took some time after the book was published to figure out that white could play:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 g6 5.h3 Bg7 6.e5 Ng8 7.0-0!?
And that seemed quite dangerous at the time. Not sure how it looks to modern engines.

There is btw some other author who does go for 3...e5. Some black repertoire. Can't recall the name sadly. Was basically told by an opponent and haven't seen the book.
Of course Carlsen tends to play it also as far as I know, but often in irregular fashion.
I will also say there is a nice Dubov idea for white that got showed recently in one of the mainlines. Timothy Taylor had some other way of playing in his book but that seemed quite neutralised so good for the line  with new ideas.

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #7 - 03/18/21 at 00:42:20
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It’s an interesting suggestion, in a way. But one might question the workload - a pragmatic question. A ‘good’ AD for black is one versus less threatening tries where might defaults into moves akin to a regular dragon, yes. A bad one is a typical Maroczy. Written partly in truth there, partly with just a little mischief.

Does Nf3 and Nc3 happen often? I’ve played the K for nearly 30 years on and off. Since it started (a very short article by Svesh in a Russian periodical). I’ve had the double knight approach... once. Two years ago v an IM - and I lost a bad dragon, all my fault for not knowing it. Perhaps I’m hanging around in the wrong circles, if it is so infrequent Smiley

Black can also just look at the typical anti-anti-Svesh ...e5 approaches, following eg Carlsen. Ideas: Quick Nd7-b6 to neutralize B on c4 and the K on d5, and punt for ...f5 (see Svidler Carlsen iirc). That’s my humble suggestion.

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #6 - 03/17/21 at 18:42:26
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H'mm, interesting thoughts -- thanks. My chess could do with more fighting spirit sometimes! I must take a closer look at both, esp. since I believe one M. Carlsen might have made the odd contribution here ...
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #5 - 03/17/21 at 18:12:51
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The latter. fueled by statistics (they may have changed last two yeers though). I feel that Black has very few chances to take the initiative and create winning chances. This quote didn't help either: "Ah yes, the bane of all Kalashnikov players"(page 268). This should not be understood as criticism of the book. But I do think it a pity that thus far nobody has systematically researched the Acc. Dragon as a tool to transpose to an improved version of the Dragon proper.

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not least because it can be mentally energising sometimes to step outside one's habitual system.

This is correct of course, but I'd like to stress that they have something in common too: in both Black displays fighting spirit.
  

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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #4 - 03/17/21 at 15:29:49
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It worked for me pretty well in both corr. and otb chess. The reason is that Black gets more counterplay in the Kalashnikov than in the Maroczy. Also I'm sceptical about Tony Rotella's suggestion 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5.

I think the A.D./Kalashnikov combo is an interesting idea, not least because it can be mentally energising sometimes to step outside one's habitual system. But tell me, MNb, is there any specific 3 Nc3 e5 line Tony R. gives (or doesn't) that has you worried, or do you rather have a more general, 'intuitive' skepsis?
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #3 - 03/16/21 at 03:27:15
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bragesjo wrote on 03/13/21 at 08:34:45:
Thanks. I will give this opening combo a try both in Correspondence Chess and also in over the board play. 

I would think of Sicilian Najdorf..
  
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Re: MNb combo Accelerated Dragon and Kalachnikov
Reply #2 - 03/13/21 at 08:34:45
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Thanks. I will give this opening combo a try both in Correspondence Chess and also in over the board play.
  
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