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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4939 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #12 - 03/24/21 at 20:05:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	ECO-B1 (published a few months ago by Chess Informant) gives 6...e6 as leading to equality, and 6...e5 as leading to unclear or equal positions in the best-play lines. Curiously it doesn't mention 6...g6 (nor 6. Be3 g6 7. d5).


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an ordinary chessplayer God Member Offline I used to be not bad. Posts: 1713 Location: Columbus, OH (USA) Joined: 01/02/15	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #11 - 03/22/21 at 14:50:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	I just checked E & V Sveshnikov (2015) A Chess Opening Repertoire for Blitz and Rapid. They advocate 5...exd6, so obviously nothing about 5...cxd6 6.d5. I didn't notice this before but the Sveshnikovs say black should not hurry with ...Nc6. Taylor (2010) Alekhine Alert says black should. I will have to look into it.


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an ordinary chessplayer God Member Offline I used to be not bad. Posts: 1713 Location: Columbus, OH (USA) Joined: 01/02/15	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #10 - 03/22/21 at 14:41:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	RoleyPoley wrote on 03/22/21 at 11:43:00: I don't know whether Davies covered it in his book "6.d5 e5! with good play" (stop) --Davies (2001) Alekhine's Defence page 77


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RoleyPoley God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 742 Location: London Joined: 12/29/13 Gender:	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #9 - 03/22/21 at 11:43:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	HAJS wrote on 03/20/21 at 10:33:05: I recently faced a quite rare and annoying move, 6.d5. Cox says this move was quite popular for a short space of time so it surprises me it doesn't get much coverage. Lakdawala's book doesn't appear to mention it at all, nor the one by Chetverik (although I don't know how much input he had on that). Taylor didn't cover cxd in the exchange. I don't know whether Davies covered it in his book Cox, Bogdanov and the two Burgess books all mention it. The former in passing suggests e5, the latter e6 and Bogdanov gives both options saying that white is marginally better but black has real counterplay.

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	kylemeister wrote on 03/20/21 at 15:13:22: (7. Qd4 e5"!" was addressed in Chess Publishing in 2018) Yes, 6 d5 has been covered a number of times on https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/6/index.htm, in particular Gawain Jones' coverage in the game Hofmann-Khenkin is pretty comprehensive.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4939 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #7 - 03/21/21 at 01:00:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	HAJS wrote on 03/21/21 at 00:15:04: I would also be interested to know the Reinfeld reference if you have it. Here's one place it appeared -- p. 194 of The Complete Chessplayer (from as far back as 1953). https://www.google.com/books/edition/Complete_Chess_Player/vxUso6krInsC?hl=en&gb...


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HAJS YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/30/20	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #6 - 03/21/21 at 00:15:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	FreeRepublic wrote on 03/20/21 at 14:39:10: 6...e5 has been popular and black scores reasonably well. It's also my engine's recommendation. 6...e6 has been played too. In the main tabya mentioned below White is scoring 65%. I have been checking that position and I do not see any radical improvements for Black. On the other hand Black seem to have a decent game from the variations I have seen so I don't see any particular reason not to play it. Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/20/21 at 15:08:43: Hi. In a practical game probably 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.d5 e6. That being said 6...e5 could definitely be considered and could maybe be easier but allows a more closed structure. Also 6...g6!? 7.Qd4 e5 8.dxe6 f6 seems interesting and maybe worth a try with some preparation. 6...g6 7.Be3 Bg7 8.Bd4 O-O 9.Bxg7 Kxg7 10.Nc3 e6 11.Nf3 Qf6 Does not seem problematic as it looks like the game opens up a bit quicker than white would like. Have a nice day. That's a nice break-down of Black's alterantives. 6...g6 looks very interesting and might be Black's best. 7.Qd4 is not the top move according to the engine but if White does not play it the whole 6.d5 is a little less convincing in my opinion. kylemeister wrote on 03/20/21 at 15:13:22: An historical bit about 6. d5 is that it was thought to be good for White by Fred Reinfeld back in the late 1950s. He gave 6...g6 7. Be3 (7. Qd4 e5"!" was addressed in Chess Publishing in 2018) Bg7 8. Bd4, which occurred by transposition a little over a decade later in a game Suttles-Fischer. I would also be interested to know the Reinfeld reference if you have it.


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Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white.
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I'll see your Reinfeld and raise you a Soltis.

Beating the Alekhine Defense with the Exchange Variation (1994) mentions 6.d5 in a note on pages 50-51. It's "an idea developed in Latvia", 6...e5 is the "book-recommended response", and he quotes Lanka - Savko, Latvian Ch 1991 (which I have not been able to locate).

I also saw this idea in Inside Chess.

Shabalov - Mulyar, US Open (7), Orlando 1997
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.d5 e5 7.Nc3 Be7 8.Bd3 O-O 9.Nge2 Na6 10.b3 f5 11.O-O Nc5 12.Bc2. In the diagram Mulyar played 12...f4 but it didn't work out.

Shabalov-Mulyar-1997.pgn ( 0 KB | 106 Downloads )

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4939 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #4 - 03/20/21 at 15:13:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	An historical bit about 6. d5 is that it was thought to be good for White by Fred Reinfeld back in the late 1950s. He gave 6...g6 7. Be3 (7. Qd4 e5"!" was addressed in Chess Publishing in 2018) Bg7 8. Bd4, which occurred by transposition a little over a decade later in a game Suttles-Fischer.


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Confused_by_Theory God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 649 Location: Europe Joined: 05/13/15 Gender:	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #3 - 03/20/21 at 15:08:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi. In a practical game probably 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.d5 e6. That being said 6...e5 could definitely be considered and could maybe be easier but allows a more closed structure. Also 6...g6!? 7.Qd4 e5 8.dxe6 f6 seems interesting and maybe worth a try with some preparation. 6...g6 7.Be3 Bg7 8.Bd4 O-O 9.Bxg7 Kxg7 10.Nc3 e6 11.Nf3 Qf6 Does not seem problematic as it looks like the game opens up a bit quicker than white would like. Have a nice day.


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FreeRepublic God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 822 Location: Georgia Joined: 06/08/17 Gender:	Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white. Reply #2 - 03/20/21 at 14:39:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	6...e5 has been popular and black scores reasonably well. It's also my engine's recommendation. 6...e6 has been played too.


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Re: Rare and remarkably good move for white.
Reply #1 - 03/20/21 at 10:34:52

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It seems the pgn is added as a download, hence I am adding the moves:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 cxd6 6. d5

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HAJS YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/30/20	Rare and remarkably good move for white. 03/20/21 at 10:33:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	I recently faced a quite rare and annoying move, 6.d5. Hard to see what is wrong with this move. White seems to aim for a pleasant advantage without much effort. Download game in pgn format What should we do as Black?


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