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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #6 - 05/25/21 at 05:18:56
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Those games are only indirect evidence that white is better *or equal* after 3...dxe4 4.dxe4 Qxd1+ 5.Kxd1. 3...Qc7 is the sort of non-theoretical thing Carlsen usually does well with, but he's not playing to his usual level lately. A day later Firouzja and Caruana had time to prepare. 3...Bg4 is such a natural Caro-Kann move, white was bound to be ready for it. 3...g6 doesn't even try to exploit white's opening (same as 3...Qc7 that way). It basically asks if white wants to transpose to some theory after 4.Nbd2. It's not surprising Caruana did better than Firouzja -- he has a better team.
  
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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #5 - 05/24/21 at 18:55:28
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[Event "FTX Crypto Cup | Prelims"]
[Site "chess24.com"]
[Date "2021.05.23"]
[Round "5.6"]
[White "Pichot, Alan"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2630"]
[BlackElo "2847"]
[PlyCount "121"]
[EventDate "2021.??.??"]
[WhiteTeam "Argentinien"]
[BlackTeam "Norwegen"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "ARG"]
[BlackTeamCountry "NOR"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d3 Qc7 4. exd5 cxd5 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 e6 7. g3 a6 8. Bg2
dxc4 9. Bf4 Bd6 10. Bxd6 Qxd6 11. dxc4 Qc7 12. Qe2 O-O 13. O-O b6 14. Ne5 Bb7
15. Bxb7 Qxb7 16. Rfd1 Nbd7 17. Nxd7 Nxd7 18. Rd4 Rad8 19. Rad1 Qc7 20. b4 h6
21. a3 Nf6 22. Rxd8 Rxd8 23. Rxd8+ Qxd8 24. Ne4 Nd7 25. c5 Qa8 26. Qc2 Qc6 27.
Qe2 bxc5 28. Nxc5 Nxc5 29. bxc5 f6 30. Qd3 Kf7 31. h4 a5 32. Qc3 a4 33. Qd4 Ke7
34. Qg4 g5 35. hxg5 hxg5 36. Qc4 e5 37. Qc2 Kd7 38. Qf5+ Kc7 39. Qh7+ Qd7 40.
Qh8 Qd1+ 41. Kg2 Qd5+ 42. Kg1 Qf3 43. Qf8 Qd1+ 44. Kh2 Qd8 45. Qf7+ Kc6 46. Qa7
Qd4 47. Qb6+ Kd7 48. Qb7+ Ke6 49. Qc6+ Ke7 50. Qb7+ Ke6 51. Qc6+ Kf5 52. Kg2 g4
53. Qc8+ Kg6 54. c6 Qd5+ 55. Kg1 Qd1+ 56. Kh2 Qd4 57. Qg8+ Kh6 58. Qf8+ Kg6 59.
Qg8+ Kh6 60. Qf8+ Kg6 61. Qg8+ 1/2-1/2

[Event "FTX Crypto Cup | Prelims"]
[Site "chess24.com"]
[Date "2021.05.24"]
[Round "7.5"]
[White "Pichot, Alan"]
[Black "Firouzja, Alireza"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2630"]
[BlackElo "2759"]
[PlyCount "111"]
[EventDate "2021.??.??"]
[WhiteTeam "Argentinien"]
[BlackTeam "FID"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "ARG"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d3 Bg4 4. h3 Bh5 5. Qe2 e6 6. g4 Bg6 7. h4 h5 8. Ne5 Bh7
9. g5 Bd6 10. Nxf7 Kxf7 11. Qxh5+ Kf8 12. Qg4 Bg6 13. h5 Bf7 14. Nc3 Nd7 15. f4
Ne7 16. Bd2 Qb6 17. O-O-O Ke8 18. g6 Bg8 19. Qg5 d4 20. Ne2 Rh6 21. e5 Bb4 22.
Bxb4 Qxb4 23. a3 Qb6 24. Ng3 Nc5 25. Ne4 Na4 26. Nd6+ Kd7 27. Nc4 Qc5 28. Bh3
b5 29. b4 Qd5 30. Bg2 bxc4 31. Bxd5 cxd5 32. dxc4 Nc3 33. Rd3 Rf8 34. Rxc3 dxc3
35. Qg1 Nc8 36. cxd5 exd5 37. Rh3 Rxf4 38. Rxc3 Rxh5 39. Qc5 Rc4 40. Rxc4 Rh1+
41. Kb2 dxc4 42. Qb5+ Kd8 43. Qb7 Rh3 44. c3 Be6 45. Qxg7 Ne7 46. Qf6 Kd7 47.
Qf2 Nc8 48. g7 Nb6 49. Qg2 Rd3 50. g8=Q Na4+ 51. Kb1 Nxc3+ 52. Kc2 Bxg8 53.
Qxg8 Nd5 54. Qg4+ Kd8 55. Qxc4 Rd1 56. Qh4+ 1-0

[Event "FTX Crypto Cup | Prelims"]
[Site "chess24.com"]
[Date "2021.05.24"]
[Round "9.4"]
[White "Pichot, Alan"]
[Black "Caruana, Fabiano"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2630"]
[BlackElo "2820"]
[PlyCount "138"]
[EventDate "2021.??.??"]
[WhiteTeam "Argentinien"]
[BlackTeam "Vereinigte Staaten"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "ARG"]
[BlackTeamCountry "USA"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d3 g6 4. e5 Bg7 5. d4 f6 6. exf6 exf6 7. Bd3 Ne7 8. O-O
Na6 9. Bxa6 bxa6 10. Re1 Kf7 11. c4 dxc4 12. Nc3 Nd5 13. Qa4 Nb6 14. Qxc6 Bd7
15. Qd6 Re8 16. Be3 Bf5 17. Qa3 Qc8 18. d5 Bf8 19. Qa5 Qb7 20. Bc5 Bh6 21. d6
Bf8 22. Qb4 Rec8 23. Rad1 Bd3 24. b3 Rab8 25. bxc4 Bxc4 26. d7 Bxc5 27. dxc8=Q
Bxb4 28. Qh3 Kg7 29. Re3 Qf7 30. Ne4 Nd5 31. Neg5 fxg5 32. Nxg5 Qg8 33. Qd7+
Kh8 34. Nf7+ Kg7 35. Ne5+ Kh8 36. Nxc4 Nxe3 37. Nxe3 Bc5 38. Ng4 Qg7 39. Qxg7+
Kxg7 40. Rd7+ Kf8 41. g3 Rb2 42. a4 h5 43. Ne3 Ra2 44. Rc7 Bb6 45. Rc4 Ke7 46.
Rf4 g5 47. Rf5 g4 48. Rxh5 Rxa4 49. Rg5 a5 50. Nxg4 Rd4 51. Ne3 a4 52. Nf5+ Kf6
53. Nxd4 Kxg5 54. Nc2 Bc5 55. Kf1 a3 56. Ke2 a2 57. Kd3 Bf8 58. Kc4 Bg7 59. Kb3
a1=Q 60. Nxa1 Bxa1 61. Ka4 Kg4 62. Ka5 Bd4 63. f4 Bg1 64. Ka6 Kf5 65. h3 Bf2
66. h4 Kg4 67. h5 Kxh5 68. f5 Kg5 69. g4 Bd4 0-1

  
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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #4 - 05/24/21 at 18:48:59
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Laramonet wrote on 05/24/21 at 18:33:17:
Are you sure ? What's wrong after 5. Kd1 Nf6 ?



The pros seem to avoid it, Carlsen playe 3. -Qc7 and got a terrible position yesterday (but somehow managed to draw it , because he is ... well Carlsen), today Firouzja got killed by Pichot avoiding the main line with 3. -Bg4 (although I think he was equal somewhere)
  
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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #3 - 05/24/21 at 18:45:05
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adal wrote on 05/24/21 at 16:53:03:
Somehow everything looks good for white

This is because you are analyzing for the black side. As Petrosian said, when he analyzed for black everything looked slightly better for white; when he analyzed for white everything looked equal.
  
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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #2 - 05/24/21 at 18:42:33
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Laramonet wrote on 05/24/21 at 18:33:17:
Are you sure ? What's wrong after 5. Kd1 Nf6 ?



Everything is easier for white: 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.Ne1 - nothing Black needs to loose but no fun at all. Fernandez analyzed this line in the May Update in Detail (Khanin-Dragun).

  
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Re: Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
Reply #1 - 05/24/21 at 18:33:17
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Are you sure ? What's wrong after 5. Kd1 Nf6 ?
  
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Depressing new system (1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d3)
05/24/21 at 16:53:03
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3.d3 de 4.de Qd1 5.Kd1 

Somehow everything looks good for white Sad
  
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