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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #8 - 09/01/21 at 11:52:04
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Keano wrote on 09/01/21 at 02:35:07:
2...e6

but not the best open sicilian Wink


katar wrote on 07/20/21 at 14:09:06:
In my opinion, 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 limits White's options the most.  A wise philosopher once said:
fjd wrote on 07/18/21 at 11:55:08:
- 2...e6 is a good choice if you don't mind having your pawn on e6


I have reached the opposite conclusion and now avoid 2...e6 as Black. Both 3.c3 and 3.g3 are annoying lines to face, and 3.b3, 3.d3, 3.Nc3 and even 3.c4 are also playable (though less worrisome). So White's options aren't limited at all.

But you could say this is a stylistic conclusion, a matter of taste rather than objective evaluation.

The problem for most practical Black players is finding an Open Sicilian and a corresponding set of Anti-Sicilian lines that are not too far apart stylistically. If I play a solid, safety-first Open Sicilian (relatively speaking; some would say there is no such thing...) I don't want to allow crazy complications in the Anti-Sicilians, and vice versa.
So for instance, if you're a Najdorf or Dragon player out for blood, super-solid lines like the Moscow (2...d6 3.Bb5+) and the Prins (5.f3) may be a real headache. Though objectively 2...d6 is probably a very good move to counter Anti-Sicilians, if you're OK with some of them being a bit drawish.

At the moment I play a couple of Open Sicilians that are both somewhere between razor-sharp and solid, and I've found both 2...Nc6 (allowing the Rossolimo and 3.c3) and 2...g6 are a good enough fit with that. Of course the move orders also need to work out.

  

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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #7 - 09/01/21 at 02:35:07
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2...e6

but not the best open sicilian Wink
  
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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #6 - 07/20/21 at 14:09:06
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In my opinion, 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 limits White's options the most.  A wise philosopher once said:
fjd wrote on 07/18/21 at 11:55:08:
- 2...e6 is a good choice if you don't mind having your pawn on e6
  

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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #5 - 07/20/21 at 08:11:39
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2 Nf3 g6 gives white the independent option of Qxd4 or white can play c3 an and it depends if black likes g6 setups vs c3 Sicilian. White can consider 3 c4 if he wants a Marozy position.

An other thing to consider is 2 Nc3 and how to combine with a Sicilian if white changes hes mind a transposes to open Sicilian. White has independent options. 2 .. d6 can be met with d4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 with ideas b2 Bb2 000,. 2 .. e6 is no problem for e6 Sicilian players,  c4 setups are ruled out. 2 .. g6 can lead to a stange version of Dragon. 2 .. Nc6 Nf3 and black han choose to either e5  or else play g6 that can transpose to Dragon where 9 000 is ruled out or Rossolimo. Or play
d6 lif he plays classical Sicilian. There is also 2 .. a6 as independent option.
  
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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #4 - 07/18/21 at 12:34:29
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If you like to play the Sicilian Dragon, you should consider 1e4 c5 2Nf3 g6. I see this from the white side and it seems somewhat underexplored.

I think 2...e6 is a solid anti-anti-Sicilian move. It is suitable if you play the Kan, Taimanov, or 4Knights variation. Of course, the Najdorf is out of the question.
  
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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #3 - 07/18/21 at 11:55:08
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My sense is that:

- 2...d6 gives White many serious options (3.Bb5+, 3.c3, 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4, 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3) which are all very decent but maybe none are as dangerous as the Rossolimo.

- 2...Nc6 is a good choice if you don't mind facing the Rossolimo, and White's options for an Anti-Sicilian are relatively limited

- 2...e6 is a good choice if you don't mind having your pawn on e6 in, e.g. the c3-Sicilian and King's Indian Attack.
  
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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #2 - 07/18/21 at 09:58:12
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I assume Mtal meant "after 2.Nf3". My own preference is for 2...d6, chiefly because I dislike 2...e6 3.c3 and 2...Nc6 Bb5. I wouldn't suggest that it "works best", but it suits me.
  
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Re: What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
Reply #1 - 07/18/21 at 06:42:32
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Depends on white’s move 2.

Beyond that comment, you’d have to be much more specific to get useful answers. There’s lots of them - GPA, Morra, Closed ...
  
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What move 2 is best vs the anti sicilians
07/18/21 at 00:30:17
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Just wondering, is there a move 2 that works best vs the anti sicilians? I guess they all have there pros and cons. Just wanted to hear what sicilian players think.
  
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