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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #11 - 08/26/21 at 14:37:54
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Less flexible maybe, provably worse not so sure.

Thanks TopNotch. As we all know, these KID positions are mighty hard to evaluate …

PS. Hope you won’t desert the Forum!

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Jones thinks 13.Qd2 as played by Ernst vs Jones in 2015 is white's best plan after 13...h5 you play 14.Nh4 Ndf6. Here black is playing more of a waiting game (which I think is more typical of the Nbd7 vs the Nc6 line) and where white has to find a correct plan to make us of his space advantage which is not easy. Jones writes that he would be concerned vs SF 14 NNUE but against a human he thinks black is fine. [Etc.]

Thanks for this Konstriktor! Sounds good. Of course, if I’m ever paired with SF14 NNUE I might try something else! Grin

  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #10 - 08/26/21 at 08:51:51
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Michael Ayton wrote on 08/25/21 at 11:54:25:
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Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

He goes for 8...Qe7 with 9...a5 vs 9.d5 with Petrosian-like play

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8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

Only 9...c5 is covered but very extensively

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In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...

Jones thinks 13.Qd2 as played by Ernst vs Jones in 2015 is white's best plan after 13...h5 you play 14.Nh4 Ndf6. Here black is playing more of a waiting game (which I think is more typical of the Nbd7 vs the Nc6 line) and where white has to find a correct plan to make us of his space advantage which is not easy. Jones writes that he would be concerned vs SF 14 NNUE but against a human he thinks black is fine.


  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #9 - 08/25/21 at 22:40:03
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Michael Ayton wrote on 08/25/21 at 11:54:25:
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His recommendation of 6...Nbd7 and 7...e5 (instead of 6...e5 and 7...Nc6) vs the Classical is very interesting.

I've been playing this for quite a while and I always get enjoyable positions -- but, unsurprisingly at club level, I haven't faced critical lines. One beauty of ...Nbd7 of course is that as long as you're happy with 2 e4, you can play 1 d4 d6 and avoid/defang D-pawn Specials and, should you wish, basically confine your mainstream KID lines to Classical and Fianchetto.

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Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...)

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FreeRepublic wrote on 06. Aug 2021 at 21:41:
TonyRo wrote on 05. Aug 2021 at 13:45:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley


I thought having the Knight on d7 iso c6 made this an inferior version for Black -- am I out of date?


Less flexible maybe, provably worse not so sure.
  

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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #8 - 08/25/21 at 11:54:25
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His recommendation of 6...Nbd7 and 7...e5 (instead of 6...e5 and 7...Nc6) vs the Classical is very interesting.

I've been playing this for quite a while and I always get enjoyable positions -- but, unsurprisingly at club level, I haven't faced critical lines. One beauty of ...Nbd7 of course is that as long as you're happy with 2 e4, you can play 1 d4 d6 and avoid/defang D-pawn Specials and, should you wish, basically confine your mainstream KID lines to Classical and Fianchetto.

@ Konstrictor
Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...)

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FreeRepublic wrote on 06. Aug 2021 at 21:41:
TonyRo wrote on 05. Aug 2021 at 13:45:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley


I thought having the Knight on d7 iso c6 made this an inferior version for Black -- am I out of date?


  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #7 - 08/06/21 at 22:27:35
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FreeRepublic wrote on 08/06/21 at 20:41:27:
TonyRo wrote on 08/05/21 at 12:45:54:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley

  

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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #6 - 08/06/21 at 20:41:27
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TonyRo wrote on 08/05/21 at 12:45:54:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #5 - 08/05/21 at 23:17:39
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Bibs wrote on 08/05/21 at 21:30:47:
(does h3 and Be3 have a name?!)


Chess Publishing has been calling it the Karpov Variation.  (I thought it might have been called the Romanian Variation ... or is that h3 and Bg5?  Fuzzy memories.)
  
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Reply #4 - 08/05/21 at 21:30:47
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Thanks Konstriktor, Tonyro.

I could not see a full layout of the two parts provided, but guess Part 2 has Fianchetto as the core of it, as this has been arguably the biggest challenge in the last couple of decades. And 4PA, 5.h3 Modern Makagonov (does h3 and Be3 have a name?!), plus minors (Smyslov, other early deviations).

Yeah, good what I see so far. Strong player (at just under 2700) hugely experienced in this area, explaining clearly. What's not to love?
Huh, well, apart from the cost.
  
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Reply #3 - 08/05/21 at 14:53:13
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There is one line in the repertoire tree that appears to illustrate the transpo to his main Makogonov coverage via 5.h3 O-O 6.Be3 e5 7.d5 a5 8.Nf3 Na6, etc.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #2 - 08/05/21 at 14:45:43
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Confirmed.

5.h3 is dealt with in part 2. He had to make a cut somewhere.

I actually pulled out my wallet and bought the course yesterday with video's. It's my first course I bought on Chessable and I must say it is excellent stuff.

The video's sure cost a lot though Shocked
I only watched one hour (on holidays in the Loire in a hammock Cool) and I think Jones has a great objective and slightly dry style of presentation. The fact that he is a KID guru certainly adds to the credibility if the course.

His recommendation of 6...Nbd7 and 7...e5 (instead of 6...e5 and 7...Nc6) vs the Classical is very interesting.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #1 - 08/05/21 at 14:02:17
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Is it just me, or is this key and popular h3 line not covered:

1.d4 Nf6
2.c4 g6
3.Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 d6
5. h3 O-O
6.Be3

He only goes in via 5.Nf3 and 6.h3

Can someone confirm? Or tell me where it is, if it’s buried there?

It’s certainly not guaranteed to transpose, and often does not. White can play with f3, g4, Ne2-g3, in addition to going back into the older Nf3/h3 lines should he so choose.

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08/05/21 at 12:45:54
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Looks like former ChessPub columnist and KID guru Gawain Jones has just released the first half of his KID course on Chessable, and it's a whopper. I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical. This course also covers the Makogonov with 5.h3 e5 6.d5 a5 & the Samisch for those wondering, with 6.Be3 c5 being the main chunk of course.
  
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