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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #31 - 05/18/22 at 06:28:31
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Hi.

Yes. Blitz is good to try new stuff Smiley

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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #30 - 05/17/22 at 08:32:25
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Thanks!
You're right, I should be able to avoid most (or at least some) of the lines with an early d5 and probably all dxe5 lines.
I guess the best way to find out is to learn the 6. Nbd7 lines and play it in a ton of blitz games...
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #29 - 05/13/22 at 21:17:34
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Hello.

thojan wrote on 05/13/22 at 17:38:12:
I'm using Jones' new books to switch back to the KID. I'm a little confused about Jones' pet line with Nbd7. It looks interesting and avoids some of my old lines, which I don't like too much. But which lines does it actually replace?

6...Nbd7 (or 6...e5 and 7...Nbd7) is a complementary recommendation. The main recommendation is still 6...e5 and if 7.0-0 Nc6.

thojan wrote on 05/13/22 at 17:38:12:
He writes that it replaces the Mar del Plata and that by playing 6. ... Nbd7, "we bypass various set-ups including the dull Exchange Variation". What are these "various set-ups"?

I would think he means things that can happen between
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5
and
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7

so...

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.dxe5
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.Be3

or even...

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5 Nbd7 8.Bg5
because
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.0-0 e5 8.d5 Nc5
Is unlikely to go into this line.

thojan wrote on 05/13/22 at 17:38:12:
In the Makogonov and Saemisch, white deviates on move 6. So, these seem still possible.
What about the Petrosian and the Gligoric? In both of them, black plays 6. ... e5. Can I ignore them, if I learn the 6. ... Nbd7 lines?

With 6...Nbd7 move order:
Gligoric will not really be avoidable for black.
Petrosian I guess you avoid the line above at least.

With any move order:
Fianchetto doesn't seem super avoidable.
If you go 1.d4 d6 and prepare either 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5 or 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 you should be able to avoid the Saemisch though. Black can also go for some early e5 in many lines e.g. 1.d4 d6 2.e4 g6 3.c4 e5. Apart from doing some other stuff though, white can go 4.Ne2 (or 4.Nc3 Bg7 5.Ne2) and still aim for f3. It becomes a Saemisch versus black who has played early e5 and has a little bit more flexibility than usual.

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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #28 - 05/13/22 at 17:38:12
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I'm using Jones' new books to switch back to the KID. I'm a little confused about Jones' pet line with Nbd7. It looks interesting and avoids some of my old lines, which I don't like too much. But which lines does it actually replace?

He writes that it replaces the Mar del Plata and that by playing 6. ... Nbd7, "we bypass various set-ups including the dull Exchange Variation". What are these "various set-ups"?

In the Makogonov and Saemisch, white deviates on move 6. So, these seem still possible.
What about the Petrosian and the Gligoric? In both of them, black plays 6. ... e5. Can I ignore them, if I learn the 6. ... Nbd7 lines?
  
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Reply #27 - 04/15/22 at 10:52:02
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Hey.

TD wrote on 03/23/22 at 09:08:15:
The first book Grandmaster Repertoire: King's Indian 1 has also been published by Quality Chess.
https://www.debestezet.nl/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5304

Liking this a lot so far. I'm only on the 6...Nbd7 KID chapters though. Very interesting to see the ideas.

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Reply #26 - 03/24/22 at 22:06:29
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Yea. I'm getting that. Cool

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Reply #25 - 03/23/22 at 09:08:15
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The first book Grandmaster Repertoire: King's Indian 1 has also been published by Quality Chess.
https://www.debestezet.nl/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5304
  
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Reply #24 - 12/23/21 at 13:28:54
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TopNotch wrote on 12/23/21 at 06:17:39:
It's covered in the chapter Wojo's drawing weapons.


Thanks Topnotch. It sounds like a thorough and complete work.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. dc5!? dc5. I found some interesting play for black after 8Nc3 Nc6. It's not as boring as it looks. Instead, 8Ne5!? has been something of a spoiler. 8...Qc7 avoids the trade of queens and attacks the knight. However white has done well with 9Nd3. Perhaps 8....Qd4 is a better choice for black. It will be interesting to see how Jones tackles 8Ne5.
  
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Reply #23 - 12/23/21 at 06:17:39
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FreeRepublic wrote on 12/19/21 at 14:41:48:
Does GM Jones analyze the position after

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. dc5!? dc5

or does he avoid this?


It's covered in the chapter Wojo's drawing weapons.  Wink
  

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Reply #22 - 12/19/21 at 14:46:22
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P.S.

with 8Ne5!?
  
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Reply #21 - 12/19/21 at 14:41:48
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Does GM Jones analyze the position after

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. dc5!? dc5

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Reply #20 - 12/19/21 at 11:32:28
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Yes, i even think white shouldn‘t really go d5 before Nc3 because of this …b5 idea.

Also 9…Nbd7 is an interesting waiting move. The point is that white can‘t play the epishin maneuver with Rb1, as long as the bishop is on c8, as it will run into …Bf5.

The game could continue (7...b5 8.cxb5 a6 9.bxa6 Nbd7) 10.Nc3 Nb6, here white cannot go Rb1, and after e.g. 10.Re1 black plays …Ba6, when 11.Rb1 is answered by …Bc4 with a double attack, when white is kind of lucky to equalize after 12.e4 Ba2 13.Na2 Ra2 14.b4.
  

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Reply #19 - 12/19/21 at 07:55:33
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FreeRepublic wrote on 12/19/21 at 02:24:09:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. d5 e6 8.de6 Be6 9. Ng5 Bc4 10. Bb7 Nbd7 11. Na3!

Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.

As Black I'd play 7...b5 8.cxb5 a6 9.bxa6 Nxa6 or Bf5.
  

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Reply #18 - 12/19/21 at 05:49:12
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FreeRepublic wrote on 12/19/21 at 02:24:09:
Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.

According to the tree, it is indeed covered. Gawain notes your problem line and recommends something else. Cool
  
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Reply #17 - 12/19/21 at 02:24:09
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I looked at his demo video at Chessable. In the fianchetto line, he opts for ...c5 and possible transposition to the modern Benoni. Great idea, but ...

His move order, from what I was able to glean, has white playing Nc3 before playing 0-0. Natural enough, but the other order has been recommended. It can make a difference:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. d5 e6 8.de6 Be6 9. Ng5 Bc4 10. Bb7 Nbd7 11. Na3!

Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.
  
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