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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #19 - 12/19/21 at 07:55:33
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FreeRepublic wrote on 12/19/21 at 02:24:09:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. d5 e6 8.de6 Be6 9. Ng5 Bc4 10. Bb7 Nbd7 11. Na3!

Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.

As Black I'd play 7...b5 8.cxb5 a6 9.bxa6 Nxa6 or Bf5.
  
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Reply #18 - 12/19/21 at 05:49:12
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FreeRepublic wrote on 12/19/21 at 02:24:09:
Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.

According to the tree, it is indeed covered. Gawain notes your problem line and recommends something else. Cool
  
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Reply #17 - 12/19/21 at 02:24:09
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I looked at his demo video at Chessable. In the fianchetto line, he opts for ...c5 and possible transposition to the modern Benoni. Great idea, but ...

His move order, from what I was able to glean, has white playing Nc3 before playing 0-0. Natural enough, but the other order has been recommended. It can make a difference:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O c5 7. d5 e6 8.de6 Be6 9. Ng5 Bc4 10. Bb7 Nbd7 11. Na3!

Perhaps 6.0-0 is covered elsewhere in his course.
  
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Reply #16 - 12/18/21 at 01:36:33
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Overall the part 2 repertoire is very cohesive and move-order proof. An impressive effort from Gawain and his first-hand expertise really shines through.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #15 - 12/14/21 at 20:44:55
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TonyRo wrote on 12/14/21 at 20:21:43:
It's ...d6 and ...c5


Sounds like the Yugoslav variation.
  
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Reply #14 - 12/14/21 at 20:21:43
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It's ...d6 and ...c5, not the Slav/Grunfeld style.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #13 - 12/14/21 at 20:12:37
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TonyRo wrote on 12/14/21 at 19:47:19:
Part 2 has also been released, which not only covers the rest of the KID


Chessable has "variation details" which includes 8dxc5. That could be in the Yugoslav variation, but maybe it's something else.

IMO answering white's fianchetto with ...c6 ...d5 is completely satisfactory for black. But does a King's Indian player really want to settle for an exchange variation of the Slav? (It's categorized as a Gruenfeld, but looks like an exchange Slav with king-side fianchettoes.)
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #12 - 12/14/21 at 19:47:19
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Part 2 has also been released, which not only covers the rest of the KID, but also the d-pawn specials and Flank stuff. Pretty much everything but 1.e4 in fact!
  
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Reply #11 - 08/26/21 at 14:37:54
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Less flexible maybe, provably worse not so sure.

Thanks TopNotch. As we all know, these KID positions are mighty hard to evaluate …

PS. Hope you won’t desert the Forum!

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Jones thinks 13.Qd2 as played by Ernst vs Jones in 2015 is white's best plan after 13...h5 you play 14.Nh4 Ndf6. Here black is playing more of a waiting game (which I think is more typical of the Nbd7 vs the Nc6 line) and where white has to find a correct plan to make us of his space advantage which is not easy. Jones writes that he would be concerned vs SF 14 NNUE but against a human he thinks black is fine. [Etc.]

Thanks for this Konstriktor! Sounds good. Of course, if I’m ever paired with SF14 NNUE I might try something else! Grin
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #10 - 08/26/21 at 08:51:51
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Michael Ayton wrote on 08/25/21 at 11:54:25:
@ Konstrictor
Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

He goes for 8...Qe7 with 9...a5 vs 9.d5 with Petrosian-like play

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8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

Only 9...c5 is covered but very extensively

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In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...

Jones thinks 13.Qd2 as played by Ernst vs Jones in 2015 is white's best plan after 13...h5 you play 14.Nh4 Ndf6. Here black is playing more of a waiting game (which I think is more typical of the Nbd7 vs the Nc6 line) and where white has to find a correct plan to make us of his space advantage which is not easy. Jones writes that he would be concerned vs SF 14 NNUE but against a human he thinks black is fine.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #9 - 08/25/21 at 22:40:03
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Michael Ayton wrote on 08/25/21 at 11:54:25:
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His recommendation of 6...Nbd7 and 7...e5 (instead of 6...e5 and 7...Nc6) vs the Classical is very interesting.

I've been playing this for quite a while and I always get enjoyable positions -- but, unsurprisingly at club level, I haven't faced critical lines. One beauty of ...Nbd7 of course is that as long as you're happy with 2 e4, you can play 1 d4 d6 and avoid/defang D-pawn Specials and, should you wish, basically confine your mainstream KID lines to Classical and Fianchetto.

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Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...)

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I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley


I thought having the Knight on d7 iso c6 made this an inferior version for Black -- am I out of date?


Less flexible maybe, provably worse not so sure.
  
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Reply #8 - 08/25/21 at 11:54:25
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His recommendation of 6...Nbd7 and 7...e5 (instead of 6...e5 and 7...Nc6) vs the Classical is very interesting.

I've been playing this for quite a while and I always get enjoyable positions -- but, unsurprisingly at club level, I haven't faced critical lines. One beauty of ...Nbd7 of course is that as long as you're happy with 2 e4, you can play 1 d4 d6 and avoid/defang D-pawn Specials and, should you wish, basically confine your mainstream KID lines to Classical and Fianchetto.

@ Konstrictor
Are you able to tell us briefly (without of course giving away his analysis) what GJ covers after:

8 Qc2. Does he go 8 ...c6 or 8 ...Qe7 aiming for a transpo to his main line (if so what on 9 d5?), or the altogether different 8 ...Nh5?

8 Be3 Qe7 9 d5. Does he cover 9 ...c5 (10 Bg5 Kh8 and ...Rg8) as he's played himself, or 9 ...Ng4 (or even 9 ...a5!?)?

In the free version: after 8.Be3 Qe7 9.Qc2 c6 10.Rad1 h6 11.d5 c5 12.g3 Nh7 (Gelfand-Smirin), he says White should provoke ...h5 now (iso 13.Nh4). There aren't many games here -- one with 13 Qd2 h5 and two with 13 Qc1 h5. Does Jones make a realistic case for Black, in your view? (Engines, in this line, like to play an early Kg2 preventing ...Bh3, a plan which also looks strong in the Czech Benoni and totally put me off that opening a few years ago -- but here I suppose Black's KB is a bit better placed than on e7 if White can't squash Black without the position opening up? ...)

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TonyRo wrote on 05. Aug 2021 at 13:45:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley


I thought having the Knight on d7 iso c6 made this an inferior version for Black -- am I out of date?
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #7 - 08/06/21 at 22:27:35
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FreeRepublic wrote on 08/06/21 at 20:41:27:
TonyRo wrote on 08/05/21 at 12:45:54:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.


I am glad someone finally mentioned that.  Smiley

  
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Reply #6 - 08/06/21 at 20:41:27
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TonyRo wrote on 08/05/21 at 12:45:54:
I'm glad he covered both his pet 6...Nbd7!? 7.O-O e5 8.Be3 Qe7!? and 6...e5 against the Classical.


It looks like the former, might double-up as an answer to the Gligoric variation.
  
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Re: Lifetime Rep: KID #1
Reply #5 - 08/05/21 at 23:17:39
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Bibs wrote on 08/05/21 at 21:30:47:
(does h3 and Be3 have a name?!)


Chess Publishing has been calling it the Karpov Variation.  (I thought it might have been called the Romanian Variation ... or is that h3 and Bg5?  Fuzzy memories.)
  
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