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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #15 - 10/20/25 at 01:25:59
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About a week ago, ChessBase posted a review of one of its own opening video products that has some bearing on the recent posts in this thread. The review, written by Lukas Köpl, covered Reinventing the Ragozin by Indian GM Surya Ganguly. The pertinent bit of information was Köpl's observation that "In the classical main variation after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3, Ganguly deviates with the rather rare continuation 7...c5". Although Köpl doesn't go further, the review includes a sample video where Ganguly presents his reasoning for some of his repertoire selections. In the case of 7...c5, he notes that if White continues with 8.Rc1, Black can go for 8...dxc4 9.Bxc4 cxd4, producing the following position

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This should be compared to the drawing line, where 7...0-0 is played instead of 7...c5. After 8.Rc1 dxc4 9.Bxc4 c5 10.0-0 cxd4, a similar position arises

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In this second position, White has the resource 11.Ne4. As noted in Reply #11, this move scores better for White than 11.Nxd4, continuing with the drawing line.

Ganguly explains in his video that the reason for his selection of 7...c5 is that White does not have the Ne4 resource in the first diagram since the knight on c3 remains pinned. Thus, the first player has nothing better than 10.Nxd4 0-0 11.0-0 Bd7, transposing back to the drawing line. After showing 11...Bd7, Ganguly ended his explanation. He seemed quite satisfied to head for the drawing line. 

Rather than forging a new path, Ganguly's choice of 7...c5 is a move order refinement that saves some theoretical work for Black since a reply for 11.Ne4 after 7...0-0 isn't needed. Of course, White doesn't have to play along. In fact, 8.cxd5 is played twice as frequently as 8.Rc1 after 7...c5, according to the Mega Database. Presumably Ganguly covers this option in his repertoire. 

Getting back to BobbyDigital80's question in Reply #10 about a line that avoids the draw, Black might try 7...c6. It's the third most popular move after 7...0-0 and 7...c5, and Bacrot played this multiple times in 2023, albeit in blitz and rapid games. The database indicates that 7...c6 8.Rc1 Nd7 is a "hot" line at the moment. Unfortunately, Black players seeking to adopt 7...c6 might be on their own. I haven't found coverage of this move in my Ragozin books. However, ChessPublishing does have M.Muzychuk-V.Exler, Frauenbundesliga 2022-23 (11.5) Germany GER, 2023, a game with the related 7...0-0 8.Rc1 c6. In his annotations after 8...c6, GM Raven Sturt writes, "The move makes little sense as the central idea of the Ragozin is energetic piece play in the center, particularly revolving around the e5 break. However, the move is not entirely bad and Stockfish soberly asserts that White only keeps a slight edge. The move has been essayed by several grandmasters as of late, lending credence to the idea that it is playable." Interestingly, Sturt wasn't quite as accepting of 8...c6 in his introduction to the game in the May 2023 update to the 1.d4 d5 2.c4 section: "In Muzychuk-Exler, Black employed the dubious 8...c6. While it wasn’t punished in the game, the move goes against the spirit of the Ragozin and should lead to a White advantage against proper play." 

"Dubious and "playable" are rather divergent evaluations. When I check the position after 8...c6, Stockfish finds the position to be equal. This could be one of those situations where the engine considers Black to be fine, but a human player might have difficulties since the continuations that maintain equality aren't thematic for the Ragozin. At any rate, the ...c6 idea may be worth investigating for those who are willing to accept more risk to avoid the seemingly inevitable draw in BobbyDigital80's line.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #14 - 10/03/25 at 20:55:51
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I checked a number of other sources in hopes of finding alternatives to the drawing line. The 2024 Modern-chess database, My Queen's Gambit Declined - Part 2 by GM Vaibhav Suri  suggests 8...Nc6, which is also the recommendation in Kuljasevic's repertoire quoted by FreeRepublic in Reply #12. Regarding 8...Nc6, Suri writes that he chose that move over the much more common 8...dxc4 in order to avoid long forcing lines.

The 2016 book, Playing the Ragozin, by IM Richard Pert, describes 5...h6 as "the pure Ragozin move". However, he notes that Black has problems playing for a win in many continuations and gives BobbyDigital80's exact line to show the quick draws that can result. Pert continues, "This is fine in certain situations, but hardly an ideal opening choice when facing a weaker opponent, or playing in an open tournament when a win is needed." Consequently, he recommends 5...dxc4, transposing into the Vienna Variation of the QGD. The Vienna transposition is also the suggestion in Ragozin Defense: Complete Repertoire against 1.d4, by IM Marcin Sieciechowicz, a video course jointly offered by The Chess World and Modern-chess. 

GM Matthieu Cornette in The Complete Ragozin (2017) covers many alternatives for White in BobbyDigital80's line, but he only gives one for Black: 7...c5!? (instead of 7...0-0). Cornette said that 7...c5 "seems playable", but he doesn't analyze it and admits that it can transpose back to the main line.

Finally, in the August 2020 update in the 1.d4 d5 2.c4 section of ChessPublishing, GM Glenn Flear's notes to P. Harikrishna-R. Wojtaszek, World Stars Sharjah Int (5.3) ICC INT 2020, give 11...Rd8 as an alternative to 11...Bd7, citing the game G. Bagaturov-M. Petrosyan, Yerevan 2017. Flear does conclude that White achieved a tiny advantage in the game and may have gotten a bit more.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #13 - 10/03/25 at 06:33:46
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Or you might follow GM Colovic' recommendation 4.Nf3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 d6. It's in his NID episode of th Openings Simplified series.
  

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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #12 - 10/02/25 at 20:43:02
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 10/01/25 at 23:57:54:
an alternative for Black in this variation in order to avoid a dull game

You might consider:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 Bb4 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bf6 Qf6 7. e3 O-O 8.  Rc1 Nc6!?
It was recommended in 2018 by Davorin Kuljasevic at Modern-chess. He wrote:

"Normally we do not develop the knight to c6 before pushing the c-pawn first. However, Black's idea is different here; he would like to carry out the central e6-e5 break instead. By postponing the exchange on c4 by one move, he also saves a developing tempo as White can not castle yet.  I have not been able to demonstrate a clear path to advantage for White after 8...Nc6 and it seems like top players have not managed to do it yet, either. Therefore, my conclusion is that 8...Nc6 is a worthy alternative to the main line 8...dxc4 and can be played with confidence."

It continues to score as well as 8...dxc4. Kuljasevic's database is available at a very low price compared to other modern-chess databases. I don't know that the theory has changed.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #11 - 10/02/25 at 19:59:26
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BobbyDigital80 - The line recommended by Swiercz is exactly the one that you gave. After 12...Nc6, he writes, "This is a very drawish line that has happened numerous times in GM games." After 13.Nxc6, he adds, "Black can play 13...Bxc3! with simplifications and very likely a draw..." At this point, Swiercz covers not only your 14.Rxc3, but also 14.Nxa7, 14.Qxc3, and 14.Qxb7. The fact that he awards 13...Bxc3 with an exclam suggests he's satisfied with a draw here. Unfortunately he doesn't give any alternatives for Black that would avoid the draw. The book's main line is actually 11.Ne4 (instead of 11.Nxd4), which the database shows to score better for White. 11.Nxd4 is covered in a note to 11.Ne4.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #10 - 10/01/25 at 23:57:54
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Does anyone know what line is recommended against the 5.Bg5 Ragozin in Vol. 2? I was wondering about the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3 0-0 8.Rc1 dxc4 9.Bxc4 c5 10.0–0 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Bd7 12.Qb3 Nc6 13.Nxc6 Bxc3 14.Rxc3 Bxc6 15.Bb5 Bd5 16.Bc4 Bc6

Does the author give an alternative for Black in this variation in order to avoid a dull game and draw by repetition?
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #9 - 07/07/23 at 17:15:26
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Volume 2, which I mentioned in Reply #6, was recently released by Thinkers Publishing.  As suspected, it recommends the Ragozin in response to 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 (via 3...d5 4.Nc3 Bb4).  The book also includes coverage of the Catalan and QGD sidelines.

The publisher's preview, as usual, isn't especially informative.  The Table of Contents doesn't reveal much, and rest of the sample pages are from the chapter on QGD sidelines, rather than the Ragozin, which makes up the bulk of the book.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #8 - 12/18/21 at 21:45:10
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You're welcome! I also thought the position after 5...Be7 showed some resemblance to the QGD.  However, the author's continuation 6.e4 dxe4 7.fxe4 c5 8.d5 exd5 9.exd5 0-0 seems to steer toward Benoni territory.

Swiercz had these remarks about his choice: "One of the most popular responses as Black to 4.f3.  As it is such a hot line, I have decided to share my two cents on this topic."   

When I did a search in Mega Database 2020, this line was indeed marked as "Hot", so it seems that Swiercz is going with the trendy response to 4.f3.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #7 - 12/16/21 at 23:42:06
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Thanks for the info!

Nernstian59 wrote on 12/16/21 at 23:08:01:
4.f3 d5 5.a3 Be7


At modern-chess, GM Marin and GM Kuljasevic each has their own Nimzo repertoire. They both answer 4f3 with ...c5 5d5 b5. At one point Kuljasevic continues ...0-0, allowing white to play e5 attacking the knight. Marin takes time out to play ...d6 preventing e5. The lines are probably good, but extremely sharp and committal.

4f3 d5 5a3 Be7 might appeal to me more. Its more of a QGD approach than a Benoni/Blumenfeld approach. After the given moves, the game can still go in many different directions. I expect the author will do a good job picking and choosing from the many possible approaches.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #6 - 12/16/21 at 23:08:01
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I have the book and can confirm that FreeRepublic is correct in his deduction that 4...d5 is the author's recommended response to 4.Qc2.  Sadly the error "4.Qc2 0-0" occurs not only in the Table of Contents, but also in the Chapter Guides at the start of each of the two chapters covering 4.Qc2 and as well as in the page headers for all of the right-hand (recto) pages of those chapters.

For those interested in more details of the proposed repertoire, here's a quick summary of the responses to White's other fourth moves:

4.Qb3 c5
4.Bg5 c5 5.d5 d6 6.e3 Bxc3+
4.Bd2 0-0
4.g3 0-0 5.Bg2 Bxc3+
4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 c5
4.f3 d5 5.a3 Be7

Although Swiercz's recommendation for 4.Nf3 is to transpose to the Ragozin with 4...d5, he notes that this variation will be part of volume 2, suggesting that this forthcoming volume will cover 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3.  The author didn't want to leave the readers of the current book completely without resources for meeting 4.Nf3, so he goes over 4.Nf3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 d6 in Chapter 6 of Volume 1.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #5 - 11/21/21 at 14:42:17
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 11/14/21 at 23:26:17:
There is a look inside option on forward chess that might quell some curiosity about which lines are recommended.


Yes. The sample material reads very well, imo. He recommends the Larsen variation (also in the NID repertoire by GM Kuljasevic at MC).

However the table of contents contains an illegal move against the Classical variation:  1d4 Nf6 2c4 e6 3Nc3 Bb4 4Qc2 0-0 5cxd5. Perhaps he covers 4...d5 instead of (or in addition to) 4...0-0.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #4 - 11/15/21 at 09:18:05
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kylemeister wrote on 11/15/21 at 00:26:16:
FreeRepublic wrote on 11/14/21 at 23:07:46:
E59 probably does not deserve it's "main line" name. I don't know the last time it was recommended for black. I think of it as "the main line no one talks about."

I still find the line to be strategically interesting. White has the two bishops but one is locked up behind pawns. The line does well in human games. Analyzing with a computer, it seems black always has a way, though not always the first one that I or the engine consider.

Seems that there has never been a Chess Publishing update on E59 ... wow.

Ivan Sokolov's 2012 book on the Rubinstein had almost 50 pages on it (that is, the line with 9...dc and 10...Qc7).  He thought 11. Bb2 should lead to an opening advantage for White.


Impressive absence Smiley

iirc If you follow Sokolov's lines with Leela it finds some not very obvious attacking ideas for black that keep it very unclear indeed. Not at all surprised it looked nice for white in 2012.

I suspect that people mainly don't put it in books due to the quantity of alternative playable options with lower theoretical loads. The same way that all the white books tend to go for 5/6 Nge2.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #3 - 11/15/21 at 06:55:18
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FreeRepublic wrote on 11/14/21 at 23:07:46:
I was not familiar with the author, so I did a little research. He is rated 2659.


He played in this years US Championship finished T8th..
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #2 - 11/15/21 at 00:26:16
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FreeRepublic wrote on 11/14/21 at 23:07:46:
E59 probably does not deserve it's "main line" name. I don't know the last time it was recommended for black. I think of it as "the main line no one talks about."

I still find the line to be strategically interesting. White has the two bishops but one is locked up behind pawns. The line does well in human games. Analyzing with a computer, it seems black always has a way, though not always the first one that I or the engine consider.

Seems that there has never been a Chess Publishing update on E59 ... wow.

Ivan Sokolov's 2012 book on the Rubinstein had almost 50 pages on it (that is, the line with 9...dc and 10...Qc7).  He thought 11. Bb2 should lead to an opening advantage for White.
  
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Re: Nimzo-Indian by Dariusz Swiercz
Reply #1 - 11/14/21 at 23:26:17
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Hi.

All I know is I watched a 1.d4 d6 video he made (free on youtube if anyone wonders) and kinda liked it. He talked for an hour or so about 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 g6 4.Nc3 Bf5!?; which is certainly an interesting way of playing the position.

Think I also played in the same youth tournament as him once (he won it Grin).

Edit: There is a look inside option on forward chess that might quell some curiosity about which lines are recommended.

Have a nice day.
  
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