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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
Reply #8 - 12/05/21 at 20:27:34
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grandpatzer wrote on 12/05/21 at 14:43:49:
an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/04/21 at 22:03:17:
Yes, Lane covers this, chapter 7, nine games, 14 pages. His words are encouraging for white, but his moves are not.


Is he covering all of Black's plausible replies?

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4
It depends what you consider plausible, which in turn depends on the level of your opponents. Lane covers 3...exf4 (eight games) and 3...Bc5 (one game) in chapter 7. That seems about right. If weaker moves than that are plausible, Lane's book is more than good enough for your needs. After 3...exf4 Lane is covering three white systems: Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit 4.Nf3 g5 5.h4 (two games), Pierce Gambit 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4 (five games), and Steinitz Gambit 4.d4 (one game).

MNb wrote on 12/04/21 at 17:40:03:
There are no new developments in the KG Declined with 3...Bc5 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bb5 (5.Bc4 Bg4 6.Na4 exf4) Nge7 either.

Lane doesn't consider 5...Nge7 at all.  Sad

grandpatzer wrote on 12/04/21 at 14:27:23:
Is there a good (fairly recent) book about the Gambit line 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?

If you are considering getting Lane, and are really keen on the Vienna Game, then perhaps you will be interested in the Fritztrainer CD: Gregory Huber (2005) The Vienna Game. It's not a book, but since you don't seem to care about the "recent" requirement, maybe you also don't care about the "book" requirement.

This is my last post on Gary Lane's book. If @grandpatzer has any more questions about it, someone else will have to answer.
  
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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/04/21 at 22:03:17:
Yes, Lane covers this, chapter 7, nine games, 14 pages. His words are encouraging for white, but his moves are not.


Is he covering all of Black's plausible replies?
  
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Yes, Lane covers this, chapter 7, nine games, 14 pages. His words are encouraging for white, but his moves are not.
  
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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
Reply #5 - 12/04/21 at 19:56:58
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 12/04/21 at 19:21:55:
grandpatzer wrote on 12/04/21 at 14:27:23:
Is there a good (fairly recent) book about the Gambit line 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 ?

This is covered from the Black side in my book Smiley


Good to hear, I am buying it as soon as it is available. But this is from Black’s side. How about a book that covers all sides?
  
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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
Reply #4 - 12/04/21 at 19:21:55
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grandpatzer wrote on 12/04/21 at 14:27:23:
Is there a good (fairly recent) book about the Gambit line 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 ?

This is covered from the Black side in my book Smiley
  

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Reply #3 - 12/04/21 at 18:31:07
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How about Gary Lane “The Vienna Game”, published in 2000 by Everyman?
  
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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
Reply #2 - 12/04/21 at 17:40:03
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AfaI there isn't any. I don't think there is any need either. the Steinitz Gambit (3...exf4 4.d4), the Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit (3...exf4 4.Nf3 g5 5.h4) and the Pierce Gambit (3...exf4 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4) are dubious at best. The modern 3...exf4 4.Nf3 g5 5.g3 was investigated by GM Shaw in his 2011 book via 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.g3 and d6 6.d4 Bg7 7.d5 Ne5 has been tested in several corr. games and is equal.
There are no new developments in the KG Declined with 3...Bc5 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bb5 (5.Bc4 Bg4 6.Na4 exf4) Nge7 either.
  

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Re: Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
Reply #1 - 12/04/21 at 17:01:04
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I haven't seen one, but likewise would be very interested to hear if one exists. Ovetchkin/Soloviov (2014) Modern Vienna is a repertoire book for white after 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3, and after both 2...Nf6 and 2...Nc6 covers only 3.Bc4.
  
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Best coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4?
12/04/21 at 14:27:23
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Is there a good (fairly recent) book about the Gambit line 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4? I suppose that the "Modern Vienna" by Ovetchkin and Soloviov (Chess Stars) goes with 3.Bc4 only, or is there coverage of this, too?
  
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