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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #8 - 06/09/22 at 12:24:32
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@ BobbyDigital80,

Does this book offer ideas in the Bishop's Opening similar to "The Italian Renaissance"?

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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #7 - 03/23/22 at 03:44:29
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I just got this book and after skimming through it it looks extremely useful. Lots of explanation about the various plans and ideas. One thing I’m confused about though is that I don’t see anywhere in the book whether or not they recommend one move order over another. After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5, I don’t think they discuss the differences between 4.c3, 4.d3, and 4.0-0. If they don’t have a preference for which fourth move they prefer, it would’ve been nice to have that explained. Unless I missed something and they do talk about the differences between the various fourth moves for white? 🧐
  
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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #6 - 01/26/22 at 09:01:38
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 01/26/22 at 03:45:48:
One way to avoid this line and the line Black played in Esipenko - Giri is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5. d3 O-O 6.h3, and now Black can't play Giri's ...Bg4 line. If Black plays 6...d5, then 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.Re1 Be6 9.Nbd2 f6 10.c3 Bf7 11.Ne4 Bb6 12.b4 a6 13.a4 Qd7 14.Qb3 looks good for White.


10...Re8 is better in that line, so that the c5-bishop can drop back to f8 if attacked. I think this is just equal.
  

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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #5 - 01/26/22 at 03:45:48
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 01/25/22 at 15:26:25:
@BobbyDigital80 - They cover ...d5 in both the ideas section (page 103) and the theory section (page 218), so I would hope somewhere in there is the information you want. White doesn't have to castle on the fourth move to discourage ...d5. Anyway, if 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5.d3 O-O do you play 6.Re1 here? It seems a little early.

Esipenko - Giri saw ...d5 in Round 8 at Tata Steel. It's definitely interesting.


Yeah, that's an interesting line for Black. Another line White can play is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 d5 6.exd5 Nxd5 7.O-O O-O 8.b4 Be7 9. b5 Na5 and Black is supposed to be fine after 10.Nxe5 Nxc4 11.dxc4 Nb6. One way to avoid this line and the line Black played in Esipenko - Giri is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5. d3 O-O 6.h3, and now Black can't play Giri's ...Bg4 line. If Black plays 6...d5, then 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.Re1 Be6 9.Nbd2 f6 10.c3 Bf7 11.Ne4 Bb6 12.b4 a6 13.a4 Qd7 14.Qb3 looks good for White. So this could be why some players prefer to play 4.0-0 instead of 4.c3. I'm curious if Kalinin and Kalinichenko cover these move orders and explain the differences in detail.
  
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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #4 - 01/25/22 at 15:26:25
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What I can see in the pdf sample looks pretty good, especially since the target audience is the club player. I get the impression Kalinichenko is a database guy, and the reason I associate him with low-quality books is sometimes the data is all there is. Here the title page says "in collaboration with Nikolai Kalinichenko", so if Kalinichenko did the data part and Kalinin did the verbal part then it might work out. Unlike, say, when Kalinichenko did the data part and Gufeld did the verbal part.

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The Giuoco Pianissimo has already been examined in an excellent book by K. Müller and G. Souleidis, Winning with the Slow Italian (2016), aimed at the club player. However, in our opinion, the book contains too much concrete information in the form of variations and subvariations, which somewhat erodes the whole idea of the opening in question.

Therefore, in this book we will first reveal the main strategic ideas and typical plans of the modern Giuoco Pianissimo, and only then will the reader be offered a review of the modern theory of the Italian Game, centered around practical examples from grandmaster games.


@BobbyDigital80 - They cover ...d5 in both the ideas section (page 103) and the theory section (page 218), so I would hope somewhere in there is the information you want. White doesn't have to castle on the fourth move to discourage ...d5. Anyway, if 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.O-O Nf6 5.d3 O-O do you play 6.Re1 here? It seems a little early.

Esipenko - Giri saw ...d5 in Round 8 at Tata Steel. It's definitely interesting.
  

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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #3 - 01/25/22 at 14:04:00
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Isn't Alexander Kalinin (former trainer of Naroditsky) a good author ?
  

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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
Reply #2 - 01/25/22 at 10:52:46
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 01/25/22 at 09:26:50:
If Kalinichenko is involved, it's probably complete rubbish.


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Re: The Modernized Italian Game for White
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If Kalinichenko is involved, it's probably complete rubbish.
  

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The Modernized Italian Game for White
01/25/22 at 05:13:05
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https://thinkerspublishing.com/product/the-modernized-italian-game-for-white/

Anyone have this book? If so, what do you think of it? I'm curious if they advocate 3...Bc5 4.c3 or 4.0-0 for White. 4.0-0 is supposed to restrict an early ...d5 by Black and I was wondering if this book explains these details.
  
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