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Re: K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
Reply #5 - 02/23/22 at 00:22:17
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What would you have white do now?


Probably resign since he's just trapped himself and black will surely queen. 

So, I backed up to 5...d5 and try as I might nothing seemed to work for white. I ended up thinking white's king is doing a pretty good defensive job right where he is. 6.Kd4 seems to set up to shepherd a f pawn advance but black's b pawn can doom that in some variations. The f and h pawns begin with 4 diff choices between them and the black king has 5 possible responses to each and I saw nothing forced without a lot of co-operation from black and a draw at that. I have not cheated or peeked at your answer yet but feeling pretty stumped by the many f and h pawn choices and the even more possible responses by black. 6. Kd4 does set up some possible oppositions between the 2 kings but, ...
  
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Re: K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
Reply #4 - 02/22/22 at 01:47:28
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In your "stab", 6.Kb4 d4 7.f4 d3?? was horrible for black. I tried to give you a hint, but you seem to be lazy. No guessing!

Suppose these are the moves:
6.Kb4 d4 7.f4 Kh6 8.h4 Kg6 9.a3 Kg7 10.h5 Kh6 11.f5 Kxh5 12.f6 Kg6 13.f7 Kxf7

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What would you have white do now?
  
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Re: K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
Reply #3 - 02/21/22 at 23:19:12
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My best guess is that you might lose your f and h pawns, but you ought to be able to take out the black b, then a pawns, then the black d pawn, then shepherd the remaining white a pawn to queen. I can see the possibility of a draw since it is the a pawn I am trying to promote, but no for sure promotion of any black pawn.
  
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Re: K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
Reply #2 - 02/21/22 at 21:05:09
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After 6.Kb4 d4, what happens if black moves only the king for a while?
  
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Re: K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
Reply #1 - 02/21/22 at 20:11:46
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What do I know? But I'll take a stab at it. Smiley

6.Kb4 d4 7. f4 d3 8.Kc3 d2 9. Kxd2 (If 6...Kany 7. Kxb4) (If 8...b4+ 9.Kxd3)
  
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K and P endgame, Morphy vs Lowenthal 1859
02/20/22 at 10:25:21
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Position after 32.Bxe5 in Morphy - Löwenthal, offhand game, London 1859.

This is from Fine (1941) Basic Chess Endings, no.191c, pg.162-163. The game went 1...Bd6 2.Bd4 which Fine gives "!" and writes 
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the Pawn ending after 2.Bxd6? cxd6 would be lost: 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3 a4! 5.Kc3 d5 6.Kd4 -- on Pawn moves Black moves ...Kg6 when both White Pawns are on the fourth (he means, after h4 and f4 black plays ...Kg6), so that the (white) King must move anyhow -- 6...b4!! (Fine gets the move numbers mixed up now when changing from page 162 to page 163, but it's not critical) 7.f4 b3 8.axb3 a3 9.Kc3 d4+ 10.Kc2 d3+ and queens


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Position after 5...d5 in Fine's variation

Have a go at this, but don't turn on the engine until you have completed your analysis. I attached mine.
  
Morphy-Lowenthal-1859.pgn ( 1 KB | 94 Downloads )
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