Point is, big name USA politicians are up to their neck in Ukrainian graft - sons of these big name politicians are embedded in Ukrainian companies and skimming mind boggling amounts of money out of Ukraine
Point is, even if a country is corrupt (and though you're surely exaggerating I don't know to what extent Ukraine is), that does nothing at all to justify an invasion by a neighbor (that's known to be at least as corrupt). It's just a distraction from the real issues.Quote:
Historically, half of Ukraine was Russian, the other half was no-mans-land - I suspect Russia will keep the part that was Russian, and have the other half as a buffer zone between Russia and NATO
Historically, Moscow was just a small, remote outpost of the Rus realm, way behind Kiev and other centres like Novgorod and Vladimir-Suzdal.
Historically, most of Ukraine has been ruled by Poland, Poland-Lithuania, the Ottoman Empire, an independent Cossack Hetmanate, or all of the above.
Historically, Ukraine has been an independent country since 1991.
Historically, in 1994 Russia, the UK and the US guaranteed the security of Ukraine within its borders at the time.
See? History can be used to justify many different things. The only ones that are relevant today are those from 1991 and 1994, as well as the wishes of the people of Ukraine today.Quote:
Putin has said repeatedly that he will not tolerate NATO on the borders of Russia - yet NATO kept creeping ever closer, despite an agreement that NATO would never move eastwards
I'm aware of the geopolitics of this. But Ukranians, like all other nations, have a right to choose their own alliances. And with this invasion and senseless violence Putin has managed to alienate most Ukrainians from Russia. So in the coming decades Ukraine is even less likely to be looking east than it already was. The whole thing is just a tragic blunder by Putin.Quote:
What? You don't think that every Western government controls the media in their country?
Mainstream media is totally controlled, and the Internet is heavily censored now - post anything that is not the official narrative and its offline in about an hour
Nonsense. It's not perfect anywhere, but there's no comparison between the media situation in the West and the censorship and draconian punishments for free speech that's going on in Russia.
Btw. your first post on this is very much at odds with the official Western narrative, but it's still up after nearly four hours.