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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #11 - 04/19/22 at 12:20:52
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kylemeister wrote on 04/18/22 at 20:20:06:
played in several Karpov-Kasparov games in the '80s.


You are correct!

I think white plays 0-0 before Nc3 in most games. I would normally check ECO, but I do not have it on hand. I checked the Chess Assistant data base of games. It's a little confusing as many move orders are possible. After,
1d4 Nf6 2c4 g6 3Nf3 Bg7 4g3 0-0 5Bg2 c6, White plays 60-0 twice as often as he plays 6Nc3. It is a sizeable number of games either way.

Lemos makes, and underlines, the point that white should prefer 6Nc3 to 60-0 (in his repertoire).
His exact move order (beginning chapter 3) is 1d4 Nf6 2c4 g6 3g3 c6 4Nf3 Bg7 5Bg2 0-0, and now 6Nc3!

"White should delay castling for a couple of moves ..."
Lemos, Damian. Opening Repertoire The Fianchetto System (Kindle Location 1456). Everyman Chess.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #10 - 04/18/22 at 20:20:06
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FreeRepublic wrote on 04/18/22 at 18:30:05:
GM Lemos offered a new wrinkle in his opening repertoire:

https://everymanchess.com/products/opening-repertoire-the-fianchetto-system-weap...

He recommends playing Nc3 before castling:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 c6 6. Nc3! d5 7. cd5 cd5 8.Ne5!

Eh?  That's an old main line, for example played in several Karpov-Kasparov games in the '80s.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #9 - 04/18/22 at 19:15:16
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It is at least worth noting that this move order is not generally going to useful for people who start from a 1.Nf3 move order that do not want to commit to c4 so soon, e.g. those that play 1.Nf3, 2.g3 and then 6.b3 against the KID.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #8 - 04/18/22 at 19:03:44
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Thanks I have Lemos' book packed away in the garage....I'll go  dig it out and have a look at it.

  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
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GM Lemos offered a new wrinkle in his opening repertoire:

https://everymanchess.com/products/opening-repertoire-the-fianchetto-system-weap...

He recommends playing Nc3 before castling:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 c6 6. Nc3! d5 7. cd5 cd5 8.Ne5!
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #6 - 04/18/22 at 15:30:24
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I have played 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Ne5 quite a bit in blitz because I feel as though most are not super prepared for it. Rarely have I run into 8...Ng4! for instance - I mostly get to take on c6 and slowly start to play against the c5-square and the backward c-pawn. Do I think it's theoretically dangerous for Black - no. But what is?  Wink
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #5 - 04/18/22 at 13:36:25
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9.Bxd5 Nxe5 10.dxe5 Nc6 11. Nc3 and after a few accurate moves by Black: White can't really lay any claim to an advantage here, although there is still some life in the position.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #4 - 04/18/22 at 09:58:46
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Hi,
I had the feeling that in this line, 8...Nfd7 was an adequate answer to 8.Ne5. Taking on d5 is not practical for White, e.g. 9.Bxd5 Nxe5 10.dxe5 Nc6 or 9.Nxd7 Bxd7 10.Bxd5 Nc6 11.e3 e5 with typical Gruenfeld activity. What is the Chessable recommendation, if I may ask?
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #3 - 04/18/22 at 05:42:45
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MW wrote on 04/17/22 at 23:07:36:
Problem with Chessable stuff is they don't tend to produce an index system that allows you to get a good feel for the course content, even the
S & S is often of limited help.


I checked in little bit more detail: The Schlechter chapter has 35 lines about 10 of which transpose after 7.Ne5 ... 8.cxd5 cxd5. The simplest option may be to buy and make use of their return policy. The only other possibly relevant course I could find is Svidler's Gruenfeld which covers 8.Ne5 Bf5 9.Nc3 Ne4 from the Black side.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #2 - 04/17/22 at 23:07:36
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Thank-you tp2205, I have the short and sweet version of that course archived so I will dig it out and have a look. Problem with Chessable stuff is they don't tend to produce an index system that allows you to get a good feel for the course content, even the
S & S is often of limited help.
  
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Re: 8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
Reply #1 - 04/17/22 at 07:51:24
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MW wrote on 04/16/22 at 20:28:13:
Just wondered if anyone could help? I've been playing the 8 Ne5 line in blitz against the Grunfeld Slav set-up (1 Nf3 Nf6, 2 g3 g6, 3 Bg2 Bg7, 4 0-0 0-0, 5 d4 d5, 6 c4 c6, 7 cxd5 cxd5 8 Ne5) and quite like the resulting positions....aside from working through data basis on my own does anyone know whether there is a fairly recent book or course that proposes this line as white's main option?

Thanks 

The chessable Lifetime Repertoires: The Catalan by Narayanan  suggests 7. Ne5 and 8. cxd5 in case of 7...Ng4, 7...Nfd7 and 7...Be6. So you might find something of interest there.
  
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8 Ne5 in the Grunfeld
04/16/22 at 20:28:13
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Just wondered if anyone could help? I've been playing the 8 Ne5 line in blitz against the Grunfeld Slav set-up (1 Nf3 Nf6, 2 g3 g6, 3 Bg2 Bg7, 4 0-0 0-0, 5 d4 d5, 6 c4 c6, 7 cxd5 cxd5 8 Ne5) and quite like the resulting positions....aside from working through data basis on my own does anyone know whether there is a fairly recent book or course that proposes this line as white's main option?

Thanks
  
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