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Re: Theoretical State of the Najdorf-Scheveningen
Reply #4 - 02/02/23 at 09:14:54
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Although even after 8.. d5 SF 14 thinks white can try 9 e5!?!? Nfd7 10 f4 Bh4+ 11 Kd2 g5!? 12 Qg1!? (or f5!?) gxf4 13 Bxf4 Nc6 14 Rf1 Ndxe5 15 Kc1

Something like that in one of the Dangerous weapons books iirc Smiley

It doesn't think that's actively great, merely OK (and a little worse than exd5). Mentioned it as its such a massive turn around from the sort of ideas you got out of old school SF!
  
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Re: Theoretical State of the Najdorf-Scheveningen
Reply #3 - 02/02/23 at 02:26:02
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In the ChessBase annotations they said Esipenko expected Carlsen wouldn't play for equality with 8...d5. I'm on my phone right now so I can't find the link. Maybe later.

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Re: Theoretical State of the Najdorf-Scheveningen
Reply #2 - 02/01/23 at 15:10:07
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Of possible interest, the ECO-B2 which came out about two years ago has 6. Be2 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8. g4 d5 (instead of 8...b5 as in Esipenko-Carlsen) as leading to equality as in Nakamura-Topalov 2013. It also doesn't portray White as getting an advantage after 7...Qc7, e.g. after 8. g4 d5 9. ed5 Bb4 etc.

(7...Nbd7 8. g4 could lead to the "ancient" game Tseshkovsky-Browne, which I gather comes up in the Chessable course for White by GM Santos.)
  
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Re: Theoretical State of the Najdorf-Scheveningen
Reply #1 - 02/01/23 at 09:54:33
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SF thinks that 6 Be2 e6 7 g4 is about +0.4. 7 Be3 Be7 8 g4 as in Esipenko - Carlsen is about +0.5 or so.

Both the Keres and Pseudo (Nc6 iso Nf6) instantly hit +1 or so, so I can't imagine these being unplayable. Black seems to be scoring OK in both human and some high level computer games.

Maybe its just that 6 Be2 e5 is quite efficient, and 6 Be3 e6 7 f3 and friends are so popular? At the top level these sorts of lines might also be somewhat asking to be hit with some sharp prepared line.
  
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Theoretical State of the Najdorf-Scheveningen
01/31/23 at 20:03:28
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Very little literature is published (certainly recently) on the Classical Scheveningen (Scheveningen with a Najdorf move order).

I realise that various publications have given Scheveningen positions via the Taimanov move order (Semkov's Taimanov-Scheveningen Hybrid & the Chessable course LTR Sicilian Taimanov, the Chessable course on the Najdorf gives the Scheveningen v the English Attack).

Back in the early 90's when I started playing I used to really like the Najdorf-Scheveningen after playing through Kasparov's games v Karpov in the 80's and was popular right through the 90's. These days it is rarely seen.

I was wondering if it is the lines with 6 Be2 and an early g4 with 0-0-0 that is putting this line under pressure (i.e. the line that was used to beat Carlsen a few years back), has any antidote been found, or is it simply not worth the effort?

I ask as it seems all the other Najdorf-Scheveningen lines are in decent shape except this one, am I right or am I missing something here?
  
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