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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #7 - 03/29/23 at 07:57:47
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Rasblossom wrote on 03/28/23 at 12:56:01:
Apologies, just my poor reading skills/lack of familiarity with the delayed d4 lines led me to think entering the advance was the intention.
If it's not too much trouble, can I ask what is the idea after 4...Nc6, if not d4? Any model game you can point me to?


d3, Na3 -> c2 and so on I think. Obviously quite a lot of effort spent strong pointing e5, but it should be possible for white to do that even without a pawn to help.

Not intrinsically hugely challenging either of course, to some degree you're relying on confusing black with the absence of a target on d4.
(The one time I faced something like this white had f4 in.).
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #6 - 03/28/23 at 12:56:01
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Apologies, just my poor reading skills/lack of familiarity with the delayed d4 lines led me to think entering the advance was the intention.
If it's not too much trouble, can I ask what is the idea after 4...Nc6, if not d4? Any model game you can point me to?
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #5 - 03/26/23 at 12:58:30
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Rasblossom wrote on 03/25/23 at 18:24:10:
I get the transposition (and play the advance French myself), but what is the point of playing the 2.c3 move order over 2.d4 to get into the advance?
It seems 2.c3 allows this extra ...d4 option which is nothing special but completely respectable for black, in return I don't see anything you gain by going 2.c3. it's not really important of course, it will boil down to the same thing 99% of the time, but I am just curious what the idea is.


Nowhere in my post do I give a line that transposes into the Advance.  I do give a line that transposes into a variation of the Sicilian that still might, but by delaying d4 as long as possible (and possibly not even playing it whatsoever) I deprive Black of the counterplay he's used to with ...c5.  I've even found some lines with this move order by White where he plays b4!? making ...c5 problematic for Black to play.
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #4 - 03/25/23 at 18:24:10
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I get the transposition (and play the advance French myself), but what is the point of playing the 2.c3 move order over 2.d4 to get into the advance?
It seems 2.c3 allows this extra ...d4 option which is nothing special but completely respectable for black, in return I don't see anything you gain by going 2.c3. it's not really important of course, it will boil down to the same thing 99% of the time, but I am just curious what the idea is.
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #3 - 03/24/23 at 11:59:12
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Something seemingly innocuous but actually quite venomous if Black plays 3...d4 is 4.Nf3 c5 5.Bd3!? and if Black isn't paying enough attention White is +- after 5...cxd3? 6.cxd3.  I could foresee this happening especially in blitz.
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #2 - 03/16/23 at 15:35:22
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Yeah I need to be prepared for ...d4, sometimes that sort of thing vs. my 2-knights Caro: 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 d4?!  I think it's better in this French line though
  
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Re: Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
Reply #1 - 03/16/23 at 13:49:57
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After 1.e4 e6 2.c3 d5 3.e5, Black can play 3...d4 just to be a jerk. White is still OK, though.
  
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Finally solved my approach vs. the French: 2.c3
03/16/23 at 12:55:46
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2.c3 against the French fits in with my 2.c3 repertoire against the Sicilian, and in fact may like transpose: 1.e4 e6 2.c3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Nf3 reaches the same position as 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3 d5 4.e5, for which there are well over a thousand games in the database, so it's not that far off the beaten path, and there's plenty of model games.

It also solves my approach against 2...e6 against the 2.c3 Sicilian: I will be playing 3.e5

Also since White often plays Na3 it may mesh conceptually with my approach against 2...d5 in the 2.c3 Sicilian since after 3.exd5 Qxd5 I play 4.Nf3 and often follow up with 5.Na3

After 45+ years of tournament play I've finally solved how I will approach the French!
  
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