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Re: Naroditsky-Timmermans
Reply #5 - 06/29/23 at 20:34:02
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A couple of other ideas for beginners for Black

1. d6 universal system (e.g., Pirc move order into Philidor plus d6 and e5 against most d4 and c4 move orders)
2. Hyper-Accelerated Dragon plus Rat/Dzindzi-Indian
3. Slav and Scandinavian
  
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Re: Naroditsky-Timmermans
Reply #4 - 06/27/23 at 14:59:07
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I've now turned this into a blogpost... Tongue

https://200opengames.blogspot.com/2023/06/081-nah.html
  

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Reply #3 - 06/27/23 at 07:57:18
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But he was ready with ...Qc6 next month... Wink

[Event "Titled Tue 20th Jun Late"]
[Site "chess.com INT"]
[Date "2023.06.20"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Szente Varga, F"]
[Black "Timmermans, M"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C63"]
[WhiteElo "2075"]
[BlackElo "2392"]
[PlyCount "122"]
[EventDate "2023.06.20"]
[EventType "swiss (blitz)"]
[EventRounds "11"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4 Nf6 6. O-O d6 7. Nc3 Be7 8. Bc4 Na5 9. Qe2 Nxc4 10. Qxc4 Qd7 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Be3 h6 13. Nf3 Qc6 14. Qd3 Be6 15. a4 Bc4 16. Qd2 Bxf1 17. Rxf1 Nxe4 18. Nxe4 Qxe4 19. Qa5 Kd7 20. c3 b6 21. Qb5+ c6 22. Qb3 Qg4 23. Kh1 Rxf3 24. gxf3 Qxf3+ 25. Kg1 Rf8 26. a5 Rf6 27. Rd1 Qe2 28. h3 Rg6+ 29. Kh2 Qf3 30. Rg1 Rxg1 31. Kxg1 Qxh3 32. axb6 axb6 33. Qxb6 Qg4+ 34. Kf1 Qd1+ 35. Kg2 Qd5+ 36. Kg1 c5 37. Qa7+ Ke6 38. b4 h5 39. bxc5 dxc5 40. Qa6+ Kf7 41. Qc8 Qd1+ 42. Kh2 Qf3 43. Qd7 c4 44. Qb5 Qf6 45. Qxc4+ Kg6 46. Qe4+ Qf5 47. Qc6+ Bf6 48. c4 h4 49. c5 e4 50. Kg1 Qg4+ 51. Kf1 h3 52. Qd6 Qf3 53. Bf4 Kf5 54. Bh2 Qh1+ 55. Ke2 Qf3+ 56. Ke1 Qc3+ 57. Ke2 Qc2+ 58. Kf1 Qc3 59. Qd5+ Be5 60. Qd6 Bxd6 61. Bxd6 Qd3+ 0-1
  

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Re: Naroditsky-Timmermans
Reply #2 - 06/19/23 at 05:30:49
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Kerangali wrote on 06/18/23 at 18:41:14:
Hi,
is that the Timmerman(s) that was ICCF World Champion by playing the Jaenisch? having met him OTB, I confirm this opening is harder to play for Black without computer.


No, this is IM Mark Timmermans. The other is Gert Jan Timmerman, who has played the Jaenisch as well – over the board anyway, not in the World CC Championship.

As for the opening, all openings are harder to play without a computer Wink – but the Jaenisch is not especially hard if you know what you're doing. In particular, there's nothing hard about the position after 12...Qc6.
  

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Re: Naroditsky-Timmermans
Reply #1 - 06/18/23 at 18:41:14
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Hi,
is that the Timmerman(s) that was ICCF World Champion by playing the Jaenisch? having met him OTB, I confirm this opening is harder to play for Black without computer.
  
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Naroditsky-Timmermans
06/18/23 at 18:20:38
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[Event "Titled Tue 16th May Late"]
[Site "chess.com INT"]
[Date "2023.05.16"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Naroditsky, D"]
[Black "Timmermans, M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C63"]
[WhiteElo "2618"]
[BlackElo "2392"]
[PlyCount "37"]
[EventDate "2023.05.16"]
[EventType "swiss (blitz)"]
[EventRounds "11"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4 Nf6 6. O-O d6 7. Bc4 Na5 8. Qd3 Be7 9. Nc3 Nxc4 10. Qxc4 Qd7 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. f4 h6 13. Nf3 exf4 14. e5 d5 15. Qd3 Ne4 16. Nxd5 Bc5+ 17. Kh1 Nf2+ 18. Rxf2 Bxf2 19. e6 1-0

Tony gives this game in the June 2023 1.e4 e5 update and says the line "is tempting for White as Black can quickly find himself in trouble (...) if he doesn't know exactly what he is doing." And the game is some evidence of that.

Naroditsky goes further and claims that 7.Bc4 "basically busts the line", before qualifiying that to "the engine always finds some ways to stay alive, but from a practical point of view it's insanely hard to play."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KITh_RI_tLo

Certainly 7 Bc4 is challenging, but as for the line in the game... As I wrote in my book: "if 12 f4 then 12...Qc6!". This is rather more than staying alive. White has absolutely nothing here. I'd actually prefer to be Black with the two bishops. And ...Qc6 is not really very hard to find. Except perhaps if you're surprised by the position is an online blitz game.
  

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