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Re: Deffered Schiliemann
Reply #3 - 09/13/23 at 18:56:47
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Kerangali wrote on 09/13/23 at 16:37:29:
Hi,
Never studied these lines, don't trust me for expert advice ><
Browsing quickly with Lichess comp, your lines after 10...c4 seem to peter out to ~0.00. You can call that that "equality" or "full compensation" since Black virtually has an extra piece, with no perpetual in sight. Don't know what it means in OTB or corr practice.
Just noting that after 7...Na5 (as you said, 7...Bb7 8.a4 looks good for White), White can play 8.Qxd4 keeping the Bishop alive, as 8...c5 is met by 9.Bf7+ (all computer moves). You may want to check that particular line.



This move is interesting but I think Black is still good there For example: 8...Bb7( c5 is obviously bad because of 9.Qd5!) and White has to make a decision with his bishop 

9.Bxg8 Rxg8 10.Nc3 Bxf3 11.gxf3 Nc6 12.Qd5 Ne7 13.Qd3 d6 14.exd6 Qxd6 15.Qxd6 cxd6 and I think this ending is a little better for White due to the pawn on d6, but I don't know if beyond that. 

9.Bd5!? c6 10.Bxg8 Rxg8 11.Nc3 c5 12.Qd3 Qb6 13.Be3 (13.Qxf5 h6 14.0-0 Qe6 15.Qxe6 dxe6 and I think sooner or later the pawn on e5 will fall via Bxf3, Nc6, g5 and Bg7

  
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Re: Deffered Schiliemann
Reply #2 - 09/13/23 at 16:37:29
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Hi,
Never studied these lines, don't trust me for expert advice ><
Browsing quickly with Lichess comp, your lines after 10...c4 seem to peter out to ~0.00. You can call that that "equality" or "full compensation" since Black virtually has an extra piece, with no perpetual in sight. Don't know what it means in OTB or corr practice.
Just noting that after 7...Na5 (as you said, 7...Bb7 8.a4 looks good for White), White can play 8.Qxd4 keeping the Bishop alive, as 8...c5 is met by 9.Bf7+ (all computer moves). You may want to check that particular line.
  
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Re: Deffered Schiliemann
Reply #1 - 09/13/23 at 16:36:49
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This can be found in the ChessPublishing archives. It seems that Black always finds a way in the complicated lines you give. However, as you point out, White has 8a4!. If Black tries 7...Na5, White can capture the queen pawn (knight or queen).
  
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Deffered Schiliemann
09/13/23 at 15:23:50
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Hello!

Deferred Schiliemann is known for being dubious. But how can White take advantage of the move order 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 f5 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 b5 7.Bb3 Bb7 (I think the move order 7.. .Na5 followed by Bb7 is better to avoid 8.a4) 8.0-0 Na5 9.Nxd4 c5 10.Nxf5 c4 and Black seems to be doing well.
 
11.Re1 Qb6 12.Nd6+ Bxd6 13.Qh5+ Kd8! 14.exd6 (and I think 14..Nf6 and Black is fine) 

11.Nc3 Qb6 12.Nd6+ Bxd6 13.exd6 Nf6 14.Re1+ Kf8 15.Be3 Qc6 (and here I don't think White's advantage is very big either) 
Any idea?
  
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