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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #17 - 05/05/24 at 20:40:09
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To give Prusikin proper credit, I paraphrased his description of the merits of posting a knight on d6.  In actuality, he specifically listed just about all of the benefits given by FreeRepublic in Reply #15.

Digging a bit deeper into the "Capablanca Formula", I pulled out my copy of Techniques of Positional Play by Bronznik and Terekhin, which Prusikin cited as the source for ascribing the ...Nd6 idea to Capablanca. The two authors point to Reti-Capablanca, Moscow 1925 as the first appearance of ...Nd6 against the minority attack.   

In the position below, Reti has just played 22.b4 and 23.a4, clearly intending a minority attack. Capablanca then replied 23...Nd6, and the knight's reinforcement of b5 caused Reti to switch to a central advance with 24.e4. The game was drawn on move 33. 

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Bronznik and Terekhin note that because the d-pawn is on d3 rather than d4 (the game originated from a Reti Opening), the efficacy of Capa's ...Nd6 maneuver against the minority attack in the QGD Exchange Variation wasn't realized for some time. The two authors trace some near misses from 1948 and 1950 where Capa's idea was almost implemented against the QGD Exchange. However, those instances are rather close in time to Euwe's Judgement and Planning book that was cited by kylemeister in Reply #12. I also looked through Euwe and Kramer's The Middle Game Volume 1 from about the same time, and posting a knight on d6 was explicitly given as one of the ways to counter the minority attack. Thus, the "Capablanca Formula" had become common knowledge by the 50s. 

I then recalled that Imre König traced the historical evolution of the QGD minority attack in his 1952 book Chess from Morphy to Botvinnik. He gives Alekhine-Capablanca, 14th Match Game 1927 as an example (presumably the first) of the ...Nd6 idea. The relevant position is 

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where Capablanca has just played 16...Nd6. Alekhine didn't attempt a minority attack (he tried for produce something on the kingside with17.Ng3), so perhaps the other authors didn't regard this game as the best example. König says, "The importance of this game lies in Capablanca's introduction of the knight maneuver to d6 which has since become an important defensive resource." Perhaps Capa remembered the ...Nd6 idea from his earlier game with Reti and tried it again a couple years later in a different setting. I'm not sure why Bronznik and Terekhin didn't point out this game in tracing the development of the ...Nd6 idea, unless it was because of the non-appearance of the minority attack. It seems a bit odd that they would jump ahead twenty years when they had an example of Capablanca himself playing "his" maneuver.

I'm afraid my earlier search failed to turn up this 14th Match Game since I was just looking for Informant codes D35-D36, which misses transpositions to the Exchange Variation that occur later. In this case, Alekhine didn't play cxd4 until move 11, and the game is classified as D64.



  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #16 - 05/05/24 at 15:56:52
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I found two Chessable courses with ...Ne8 in the QGE. One my Schandorff as mentioned:

https://www.chessable.com/schandorff-s-complete-repertoire-against-1-d4-1-c4-and...

and one by Demuth:

https://www.chessable.com/the-solid-queens-gambit-declined/course/225097/
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #15 - 05/04/24 at 20:30:13
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Nernstian59 wrote on 05/04/24 at 19:55:56:
At the beginning of the section, Prusikin says Valery Bronznik and Anatoli Terekhin in their book Techniques of Positional Play credit Capa with discovering how a knight on d6 is well positioned against White's minority attack while also being ready to jump to e4 to join any kingside aggression by Black.


The knight is well placed on d6. It covers b7. That's handy if Black gets in ...c5 or trades ...cxb5. The b5 square is covered, discouraging b5 by White. The knight can go to c4. This may be preceded or followed by ...b5. The knight, as pointed out, can go to e4. I checked some recent games and was surprised to see Black playing ...Qc8. The follow-up made sense ...Bf5, with the bishop supported by queen and knight.

I can't say that I see a "system" yet. The merrit of ...h6, ...Ne8, will probably depend on the harmony of all the Black and White pieces.

One characterstic of many QGE lines is that Black can maneuver his knights!
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #14 - 05/04/24 at 19:55:56
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I had a recollection of seeing Capablanca being credited with meeting the Exchange Variation by bringing a knight to d6. After a bit of looking, I found that Countering the Queen's Gambit by Michael Prusikin has a section titled "The Capablanca Formula", which discusses the ...Nd6 maneuver.  At the beginning of the section, Prusikin says Valery Bronznik and Anatoli Terekhin in their book Techniques of Positional Play credit Capa with discovering how a knight on d6 is well positioned against White's minority attack while also being ready to jump to e4 to join any kingside aggression by Black. Prusikin adds, "I have slight doubts as to whether the said discoveries are really down to Capablanca. Nevertheless, I found the title so concise that I decided to use it without doing any further historical research." 

I did a search of the Mega Database for instances where Capablanca had Black in the the QGD Exchange Variation (D35-D36). Of the three games found, he did indeed move his f6-knight to e8 and later to d6 in the 32nd game of his 1927 match with Alekhine. However, the maneuver wasn't directed against the minority attack since Alekhine was attacking on the kingside by advancing his h- and g-pawns. Perhaps the prominence of this game led to adoption of the ...Nf6-e8-d6 idea in other circumstances.  For example, it was played the following year in Spielmann-Reti, Berlin 1928. Something closer to the modern use of  ...Nf6-e8-d6 occurred in Eliskases-Winter, Hastings 1936-37, where White actually played the minority attack. It seems that Prusikin is correct in that Capablanca's "discovery" was not exactly fully formed when it appeared. However, his idea may have been an inspiration for others to try it and refine it.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #13 - 05/04/24 at 07:52:37
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kylemeister wrote on 05/03/24 at 19:25:24:
Speaking of getting a knight to d6, one might wonder just how far back that idea goes

I used Scid to search the ChessBase 2017 big database by Material/Pattern. Scid has a limit of 10 patterns so maybe it's not the best tool for this job.
  • wP 7-7 bP 7-7 
  • X wP c ?
  • + wP d 4
  • + wP e 3
  • + wP f ?
  • + bP c 6
  • + bP d 5
  • X bP e ?
  • + bP f ?
  • + bN d 6

Found 10,676 games from 1889 - 2016. Highlights from the results.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #12 - 05/03/24 at 19:25:24
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Speaking of getting a knight to d6, one might wonder just how far back that idea goes (in at least some such positions). I recall it from Euwe's "Judgment and Planning" book from the '50s.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #11 - 05/03/24 at 18:48:22
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I just received an email from Chessable announcing a new course, The Solid Queen's Gambit Declined by GM Adrien Demuth, where the Exchange Variation is also met by the combination of ...h6 and ...Ne8. The relevant snippet from the email and on the Chessable site says, "...you'll learn the fresh setup of 7...Ne8!, offering a favorable trade of the dark square bishops and simultaneously rerouting your knight to the strong d6 square." The move number might be a typo since the accompanying diagram appears consistent with 9...Ne8. 

  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #10 - 05/02/24 at 12:55:59
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MNb wrote on 05/02/24 at 06:09:19:
I like TonyRo's recommendation 5...c6 6.e3 h6 ...


I agree. His lines are good too.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #9 - 05/02/24 at 06:09:19
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FreeRepublic wrote on 05/01/24 at 20:36:36:
I have considered many answers to the QGD exchange variation,

I like TonyRo's recommendation 5...c6 6.e3 h6 7.Bh4 Be7 8.Bd3 O-O 9.Qc2 Re8. It's flexible as Black has various ideas: ...a5 and ...Na6 or ...c5 or ...Ne4.
  

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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #8 - 05/01/24 at 20:36:36
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I have considered many answers to the QGD exchange variation, including pretty much avoiding it by playing the Nimzo-Indian. I'm happy with a speed game I played today with the Black pieces. It shows the tense maneuvering game that one sometimes gets in this opening.

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cd5 ed5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 Be7 7. Bd3 O-O 8. Qc2 Nbd7 9. Nf3 Re8 10. O-O g6!? 11. Rae1!? (Also 11h3!? and 11Rb1!?) Ne4 12. Bf4 Ndf6 13. Ne5 Nd6 14. f3 Nh5 15. Bg3?! (15Bh6) Bf6 (Nxg3) f4 Bf5 
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Lichess later identifies two blunders by each player. I did not find the game to be dull at all.

For me, this is one of those openings where it feels as though one must win the game twice as Black. First, you have play carefully just to survive the opening. Check. Then one must go from a position of equal chances and play better than your opponent. I had my chances, but was fortunate to draw in the end.

17. Bf2 Bd3 18. Qd3 Ng7 19. g4 Rc8 20. h3 b5 21. Rc1 Qa5 22. b3 b4 23. Na4 Be5 24. de5 Ne4 25. Be1 Red8 26. Bh4 Rd7 27. f5 c5 28. Rf4 c4 29. Qd4 Nc5 30. Nc5 Qc5 31. bc4 Qd4 32. Rd4 gf5 33. Rcd1 fg4 34. cd5 gh3 35. e4 a5 36. Bf6 Rc2 37. R1d2 Rd2 38. Rd2 Ne6 39. Rd3 Nc5 40. Rg3 Kf8 41. Rh3 Ne4 42. Rh7 Nf6 43. ef6 Kg8 44. Rg7 Kh8 45. Kf2 a4 46. Ke3 b3 47. ab3 ab3 48. Kd4 b2 49. Rg1 Rb7 50. Rb1 Kh7 51. Kc5 Kg6 52. Kc6 Rb3 53. d6 Kf6 54. d7 Rc3 55. Kd6 Rd3 56. Kc7 Rc3 57. Kd8 Rc2 58. Rf1 Kg7 59. Ke7 Re2 60. Kd6 Rd261. Ke7 Re2 Draw
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #7 - 04/11/24 at 15:43:38
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Cmarcolino wrote on 04/10/24 at 20:35:48:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 c6 6.e3 Be7 7.Bd3 0-0 8.Qc2 h6 9.Bh4 Ne8


8...h6 9Bh4 Ne8 is new to me. According to Chess Assistant, it was first played in 1990:

[Event "It (open)"]
[Site "Tampere (Finland)"]
[Date "1990.??.??"]
[White "Maki-Uuro Miikka (FIN)"]
[Black "Ronkko Seppo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D35"]
[WhiteElo "2282"]
[BlackElo "0"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 O-O 7.Bd3
c6 8.Qc2 h6 9.Bh4 Ne8 10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.Nxd5 cxd5 12.Qxc8 Nc6 13.Qxa8 Nf6 14.Qxf8+ Kxf8 15.Nf3 Qb4+ 16.Nd2 Ng4 17.Rb1 Nxf2 18.Kxf2 Qxd2+ 19.Be2 Ke7 20.Rhd1 Qc2 21.Rdc1 Qf5+ 22.Ke1 Qe4 23.Kd2 Qh4 24.h3 Kd6 25.Rf1 Qd8 26.b4 f6 27.h4 Ne7 28.h5 Qd7 29.b5 Qc7 30.Rb2 Qa5+ 31.Kc2 Qa4+ 32.Kb1 Qa5 33.Rc1 Nf5 34.Rb3 Qd2 35.Rc2 Qe1+ 36.Kb2 Ng3 37.b6 Nxe2 38.bxa7 Qa5 39.Ra3 Qb4+ 40.Rb3 Qa5 41.Rxb7 Ke6 42.Rxe2 Qa6 43.a8Q Qxa8 1/2-1/2

From 1990 to 2023 =17, +35, -25.
Recent games (Dec 2023, 2024 so far), =3, +9, -9

10Bxe7 and 10Bg3 are almost equally popular, but White has done better with 10Bg3.

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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #6 - 04/10/24 at 21:58:23
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I used Chessable's search function and confirmed that the position reached in Reply#1 does indeed occur in Schandorff's course. In the discussion section for his course, Schandorff says he meets the QGD Exchange with "a clever Carlsen idea", presumably referring to Predke-Carlsen, WCh Blitz Warsaw 2021. Schandorff himself reached the position as Black in his game vs. Filip Boe Olsen from last year's Danish championship
  
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Reply #5 - 04/10/24 at 20:40:10
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Cmarcolino wrote on 04/10/24 at 20:34:48:
I guess the course was created by Lars Schandorff...

Ah yes, oops.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #4 - 04/10/24 at 20:35:48
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Nernstian59 wrote on 04/10/24 at 20:17:11:
It would be helpful to know the specific line.  I searched the 1 d4 d5 2 c4 section for the position arising after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 c6 6.e3 Be7 7.Bd3 0-0 8.Qc2 h6 9.Bh4 Ne8, but there were no occurrences. The position turned up quite a few times in 2023 and is deemed "hot" when I looked for it with ChessBase in the Mega database. Perhaps Nigel Davies should include the line in his next update given its topicality.

Yes, this is the exactly I meant... Tks for replying!
  
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Re: QGD Exchange Variation
Reply #3 - 04/10/24 at 20:34:48
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kylemeister wrote on 04/10/24 at 20:30:06:
By the way, I believe it's advocated in a recent Chessable course by Lars Karlsson.

I guess the course was created by Lars Schandorff...
  
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