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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #15 - 01/26/25 at 11:18:34
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 01/23/25 at 19:20:34:

Maybe the Scheveningen would be a good option if you would be happy with a draw but don't want your opponent to know that as he might associate playing into the Keres with riskiness trying to win. You could also hope for the opponent to play 9. Bb5 or some similar inaccuracy, as the Scheveningen isn't very popular these days. Of course that would only last for so long if the opening became popular again. 

Otherwise we need someone with new ideas on how to create practical winning chances for black, especially in the following position (or 6. ...e5 a completely different way of playing), to try and revive the opening to its former prestige. It hardly looks like a dead draw with best black play, there must be some way.


Just play differently earlier if it's an issue. 

The Classical Schevy - delaying going a6 for quite a while - always has been first and foremost (in terms of it's philosophy) a very solid opening.

You develop, play a central break round move 8-10 then have to just slowly outplay white if you're going to win. In compensation, White has very few ways to really try and hack you.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #14 - 01/24/25 at 06:30:05
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Regarding that English Attack line with 9...d5, I recall that 10. Be2 was considered slightly better for White in a NIC Yearbook article quite some years ago. That was also the case in the yellow ECO reboot about 4 years ago.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #13 - 01/24/25 at 04:37:19
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"The reviewer recommends this excellent book."
https://britishchessnews.com/2024/12/24/the-scheveningen-sicilian-revisited-a-co...

I recommend this excellent review. After reading I think every Scheveningen player should have enough information to decide for themselves whether they would want to get this book.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #12 - 01/23/25 at 19:20:34
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I'm sorry but I don't think I've ever laughed more at something in a chess book, it's the last part after the comma that really gets me.  Grin I have another book by Gormally that I've never liked much either. 

Excerpt from: https://forwardchess.com/sample/the-scheveningen-sicilian-revisited
  
I think a lot of the reason for the poor results and reputation of the Scheveningen is due to the gimmicky h6-h5 on move 8. If black moves 8. ... d5 instead white gets even slightly less winning percentage than the Najdorf,  The computer evaluates this as 0.4 as opposed to 0.7 for h6-h5 at depth 47. But it's finding a practical way of winning that seems to be the problem for black in this line. 

If you look at the few Scheveningen games in recent years by the top players on lichess' masters database they almost invariably play 8. ...d5. Duda scored a win for it against Nepo in 2018 St. Petersburg - but beware that was a blitz game as some of these games are.  

According to lichess masters database also there are ways for white to go wrong among people who aren't that well booked-up, for example 32% play 9. Bb5 and black scores almost equally well against that. The big problem seems to be finding winning chances for black after ed, which is what all the top players are playing nowadays. Black gets an isolated d-pawn and the winning percentage becomes very low. I've looked at chesstempo at various rating levels also to confirm the results look the same - black's big problem is in getting a win.  

Maybe the Scheveningen would be a good option if you would be happy with a draw but don't want your opponent to know that as he might associate playing into the Keres with riskiness trying to win. You could also hope for the opponent to play 9. Bb5 or some similar inaccuracy, as the Scheveningen isn't very popular these days. Of course that would only last for so long if the opening became popular again. 

Otherwise we need someone with new ideas on how to create practical winning chances for black, especially in the following position (or 6. ...e5 a completely different way of playing), to try and revive the opening to its former prestige. It hardly looks like a dead draw with best black play, there must be some way.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #11 - 11/29/24 at 22:00:11
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I wonder if the book has anything to say about a seemingly critical line in the Keres -- 6...h6 7. Rg1 (and meeting 7...Nc6 with 8. Be3 instead of 8. h4).

Historical bit: in 2001 a NIC Yearbook article had this conclusion: "So there is no need to fear the Keres Attack in the Scheveningen. You can safely add it to your repertoire. Otherwise, Scheveningen will only be remembered in future years as a part of The Hague with a famous Kurhaus, a casino, bathing facilities and... a prison!". (But it didn't address the line I mentioned.)
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #10 - 11/29/24 at 21:18:48
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The Scheveningen Sicilian Revisited by Daniel Gormally, 2024:

https://forwardchess.com/product/the-scheveningen-sicilian-revisited?section=Pro...
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #9 - 11/18/24 at 18:47:38
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All the thinkerspublishing print catalog is similarly priced. I speculate they are doing print-on-demand and simply passing along to the consumer their extra printing cost.

But no, I don't want to pay that much, either.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #8 - 11/18/24 at 09:08:00
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The book is €38,95 for a mere 173 pages.

I do not think anyone would buy this book for that price.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #7 - 11/01/24 at 20:31:31
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Modern-chess has two products that include analysis on the Scheveningen:
Play the Taimanov Sicilian by Khalifman
Play the Scheveningen via Paulsen by Marin

My impression is that each author tries to optimize the opening by selectively transposing into the Scheveningen. Perhaps the authors are wary of the Keres attack via the normal Scheveningen move order.
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #6 - 11/01/24 at 17:36:44
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I don't have the book. There is a book on another opening, which I will describe as "chess to enjoy." Does that apply here?

It's a collection of games. It contains a little history, some classic games, a  few games from the author, some insight on how to play the middle-game, and some opening ideas. As a repertoire book, it's probably a little spotty.

I don't play the Scheveningen but have considered it from time to time. Engines seem to like White's chances in the Keres variation. 

I've run across firm evaluations in other openings. Yet when I play on, the lines are drawn. How should an author treat this? I think some authors simply provide their opinion (as though they don't have an engine). End of story. I'd like it if the author acknowledges the computer evaluation and then disagrees.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #5 - 11/01/24 at 14:38:59
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Okay

I’m guessing this book may polarise opinion.

This is not an opening book really…the author gives only very vague superficial recommendations against specific lines.

Basically it is mainly lots of random annotated games, going over general ideas with no real structure to in that the chapters are not even separated into specific lines!

Personally I’m am deeply disappointed with this book. But as far as I said it may polarise opinion and some may enjoy it.

I would personally would like have liked a more structured guided repertoire book as this has been a huge gap in the market for many years. Be aware THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

I’d be keen to see what other people think. Maybe this is not the sort of book that appeals to how my brain learns openings!
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #4 - 10/10/24 at 13:17:39
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Well I hope he will use 6…e5 when dealing with the Keres Attack as 7 Nf5 g6! or 7 Bb5 are not that dangerous. And the variation 6…h6 is good as well when black plays 7…e5 after 7 h4 7 Be3 or 7 Rg1 
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #3 - 10/08/24 at 04:05:05
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A bit of a follow-up: in a YouTube video, "Northumbria GM norm analysis part II!," Gormally isn't exactly glowing in his comments about the black side of the Keres.

One bit: after 6...a6 7. g5 Nfd7 8. Be3 b5 9. a3 Bb7, he says he seems to recall that White does best to play f4 and Qg4, with engines giving a large plus. The Qg4 part happened to remind me of another 1978 game, in which it was played immediately: Fedorowicz-Petrosian. (The ex-world champion scraped a draw and had this comment after the game: "Oh, my God. Why did he exchange Queens?".) The ECO reboot of a few years ago gave 10. f4 Nb6 11. Qg4 N8d7 as leading to an unclear position, citing a not-quite-as-ancient game: Perényi-Bischoff 1986. (That incidentally involved a Ne6 sac, like Shamkovich-Benko, and a ...Rxc3 counter-sac.)
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #2 - 10/07/24 at 21:44:37
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Interesting! Please keep the group updated on it.
  
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Re: New Scheveningen book on the way!
Reply #1 - 10/07/24 at 20:25:13
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Said (on Google Books and Amazon) to be a complete repertoire for Black.

I notice that in August (on the same day as the OP, incidentally) Gormally faced the Keres, and played 6...a6.

(Historical tidbit re 6...a6: I'm reminded of a game Shamkovich-Benko 1978, in which Shamkovich sacrificed a knight on e6. Benko soon went astray and lost. The players subsequently differed as to how good the sac was. Shamkovich was quoted as saying, "Benko does not understand these positions. I have attack!".)
  
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